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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Vvellum]
    #3324269 - 11/05/04 01:40 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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well, when the Democrats begin fixing elections again, I'll listen and consider the evidence with you.




rest assured that I wouldn't be making those accusations unless I had proof. And I wouldn't whine like many in this thread. There's no point.

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I wouldnt call you a crybaby or a sore loser, I'd want to get to the truth.




You're not me and I just call em like I see em. I know people don't like to face the facts but the fact is your guy lost, so did mine. I was preparing for Kerry to win this election because of the Exit polls which happened to be so wrong it was pityful. I wouldn't of liked it but I would start crying wolf just because I don't like the guy.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3324311 - 11/05/04 01:56 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Like I have said before, we are still in the investigation stage - the election was only 3 days ago. Evidence of error will be uncovered here and there like it has today

Something tells me you wouldnt cut it as a journalist or a private investigator or a police detective :tongue:

Whining? I just want to enage in a discussion, that's why I am participating in a discussion forum. I want to put forth these pieces of evidence and weigh it out and see if fraud occurred or not. If you have a problem with such discussion threads, then dont read and respond to them.

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I know people don't like to face the facts but the fact is your guy lost, so did mine.




Right, like the "fact" that Kennedy actually won 1960.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Evolving]
    #3324335 - 11/05/04 02:04 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

you want a crybaby? Try Alan Keyes


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3324398 - 11/05/04 02:15 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Innvertigo said:
I was preparing for Kerry to win this election because of the Exit polls which happened to be so wrong it was pityful. I wouldn't of liked it but I would start crying wolf just because I don't like the guy.




No, the exit polls were RIGHT, but like the article said, they ask "Who did you vote for?" not "Who did you vote for & did it count?" I guess you didn't read the article. But that's OK, I wouldn't really expect you to.

What's funny is that you called me a crybaby when all I did was point out how you disregarded the article and the poster's opinion without backing it up. You just called him out and walked away.

Weak.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: ricelicker]
    #3324425 - 11/05/04 02:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

PS, I remember something about a NO FLAMING rule in this forum.







Crybaby.  :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: ricelicker]
    #3324429 - 11/05/04 02:19 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

ricelicker writes:

No, the exit polls were RIGHT....

On what evidence do you base this assertion?


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Phred]
    #3324477 - 11/05/04 02:32 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

http://www.alternet.org/election04/20416/
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=st...6&ncid=2043
http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=392&row=0

But if you don't bother to read the articles I can't help you.

I guess you could argue this is not evidence and only opinion, but I'm sure we can agree that the question the polls ask is "Who did you vote for, not who and did your vote count?"

Is it really that hard to understand? The exit polls showed Kerry winning. More people voted for Kerry. The exit polls were right, but the spoilage votes tipped it in the other direction.

Like the beginning of the originally referenced article says:

"I know you don't want to hear it. You can't face one more hung chad."

I know you can't handle it, but you'll be OK.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Vvellum]
    #3324485 - 11/05/04 02:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Something tells me you wouldnt cut it as a journalist or a private investigator or a police detective




nor would you make a good prosecuter.

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Whining? I just want to enage in a discussion, that's why I am participating in a discussion forum.




I wasn't naming names. I love to participate in factual discussion but I have a hard time disciussing rationally on unrational topics and "facts"

How many here would believe me if I started a thread that said that bush paid off Kerry to lose the election? I bet I would be able to start some discussion and possibly have someone believe it.

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If you have a problem with such discussion threads, then dont read and respond to them.




I have no problem with it at all and if you have a problem with my replies, please do the same.

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Right, like the "fact" that Kennedy actually won 1960.




Blame it on Nixon, I wasn't around then


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3324765 - 11/05/04 03:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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I love to participate in factual discussion but I have a hard time disciussing rationally on unrational topics and "facts"





Funny, you have yet to actually address ballot irregularities or demonstate why these noted irregularities should be dismissed. Help me out - I want to know the truth.

well, here's some reading material for you:

Broward machines count backward
Computer Loses More Than 4,000 Early Votes
In one precinct, Bush?s tally was supersized by a computer glitch
Surprising Pattern of Florida's Election Results
Optical Scan Questions in Florida
Ohio: Bush Gained In e-voting Counties
Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes

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How many here would believe me if I started a thread that said that bush paid off Kerry to lose the election? I bet I would be able to start some discussion and possibly have someone believe it.




So? Is there any reason to believe such a thing? In this thread, I have provided information that many ballots were not counted and there were many errors with the official count. Could you do the same? No - so why the analogy? What are you talking about?

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Blame it on Nixon, I wasn't around then




Did I ask you if you were? I simply pointed out that elections can and will be tampered with if there is a means and motive and that "fact" isnt always fact - this was the case of the 1960 election that Nixon should have won if not for Democrat voter fraud and corruption.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Vvellum]
    #3324989 - 11/05/04 04:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Funny, you have yet to actually address ballot irregularities or demonstate why these noted irregularities should be dismissed. Help me out




I'm on your side now 100%...seriously..............................................................


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: ricelicker]
    #3324993 - 11/05/04 04:57 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

I wasn't exit polled, were you?

Exit polls have a margin of error... this exlecton fit within the MOE of the exit polls.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Rose]
    #3325081 - 11/05/04 05:30 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Nobodies hit the truth yet.....WE LOST and it does not matter anymore if it is Kerry Or Bush in the White House since they both are cut of the same cloth.
WR:wexican:


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Rose]
    #3325090 - 11/05/04 05:34 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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Cervantes said:
I wasn't exit polled, were you?




Nope, I found that quite odd. If people want a system whereby EVERYONE has their say tallied and counted, maybe we should... oh wait, we do that already. Since not everyone that voted was exit-polled, and everyone that was exit-polled voted, you can see how the logic runs here.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: whiterasta]
    #3325110 - 11/05/04 05:42 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

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whiterasta said:
Nobodies hit the truth yet.....WE LOST and it does not matter anymore if it is Kerry Or Bush in the White House since they both are cut of the same cloth.
WR:wexican:




Yes, but wouldn't you rather the non-religious fanatic win?





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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Learyfan]
    #3325123 - 11/05/04 05:46 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

No kidding... people seem to forget that Kerry is the lesser evil since he doesn't drag his religious beliefs into policy. Bush does and then some. This is why conservatives are wrong...their compass for policy is Jesus, where liberals use reason and rational.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3325172 - 11/05/04 06:01 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

All these fucking labels being thrown around for your ideas and stances. Are they really your stances or have you been brainwashed by the media? Where do those labels even come from?

I think you're all fucked in the head arguing over one rich corporate greaser over another. Liberal this republican that democrat this.. that doesn't mean shit the whole system is fucked and was played like a game all over your TV's. The rigging of the election was done in your minds when they convinced you it all meant something.

Can't you see the fucking idea was to split the nation in half and cause chaos?


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3325204 - 11/05/04 06:09 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Bush's religion's a RUSE.

It will taper off, now he's won re-election. They just needed to convince the Moral Right to vote.

Mission Accomplished.

If only more Shroomerites could lose gracefully, like Kerry.


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: ekomstop]
    #3325235 - 11/05/04 06:14 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

Sweet, this means we just made you our bitch AGAIN.

Respect your overlords!


Edited by Spongerock (11/05/04 06:15 PM)


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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: Spongerock]
    #3325586 - 11/05/04 07:59 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)



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Re: Kerry Won - Here are the Facts. [Re: faslimy]
    #3325696 - 11/05/04 08:29 PM (15 years, 10 months ago)

When have you ever heard of a "Religious Left"? Of the Leftists that are Christians, they are tolerant and don't give a flying fuck about two men who want to merry or a dish of cells. They actually observe the teachings of Jesus to "turn the other cheek.".


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