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Weed and cocoa beans
    #3322224 - 11/05/04 12:14 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

ive heard that chocolate has cannaboids and in some instances it can make your high more intense and longer. would it affect you high in a good way to crush a coca bean and smoke it on a bowl? This is probobly a stupid idea but it got me thinkin....


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: sui]
    #3322781 - 11/05/04 02:46 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i would not smoke a cocoa bean, i cant imagine that will do anything for you. I am not familiar with cannaboids in cocoa. However there is a chemical called Theobromine in cocoa that are very intresting.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: Erythroxylon]
    #3323246 - 11/05/04 06:29 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yeah i didnt think so but it was worth it to ask :jamming: theobromine huh gotta check this out.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: sui]
    #3323259 - 11/05/04 06:50 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Yep, definitely no Cannabinoids in chocolate, the closest thing would probably the diterpines present in Wormwood. Theobromine and other chemicals present in dark chocolate have several structural similarities to cocaine, I believe, however.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: dblaney]
    #3323303 - 11/05/04 07:41 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Chocolate also contains phenethylamine, which is one of the building blocks for mescaline and many other psychedelics. The amount is miniscule, however, and no one knows for sure if it contributes to the good feeling some get from eating chocolate or if it aids any type of high.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: Lifenergy]
    #3323327 - 11/05/04 08:10 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

adenimides in chocolate are cannaboids. there are cannaboids chocolate check out erowid.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: sui]
    #3323335 - 11/05/04 08:13 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

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suimush said:
adenimides in chocolate are cannaboids. there are cannaboids chocolate check out erowid.



it will be in the chemicals list under the menu of the Psycoactives vault


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: sui]
    #3323368 - 11/05/04 08:28 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

anandamides

(fr. sanskrit ---> ananda = "bliss")


& anandamides are NOT cannabinoids, but they are similar to chemicals in the brain that THC causes to be released as bliss-state-triggers...
(or some such neurophysiological gobbledegook, mmmkay?)

& cocoa (Theobroba cacao) & coca (Erythroxylon coca) are 2 different plants... spelling can be important (i know, i do typos too, but still)... like mark twain said, there's a world of difference between "lightning bug" & "lightning"...

(maybe dig up a copy of jonathan ott's book about chocolate...)


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: gnrm23]
    #3323408 - 11/05/04 08:44 AM (17 years, 9 months ago)

i was going off info i read at Erowid but it could be wrong i wouldnt know.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: sui]
    #3324157 - 11/05/04 01:07 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Funny you should mention this as we just learned about it in my intro to neuroscience class.

Chocolate has theobromine and anandamide. If I remember correctly, it does have some chemicals that are cannabinoids. It can help lower anxiety and it also acts as an aphrodisiac.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: Gumby]
    #3324168 - 11/05/04 01:10 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Theobromine is the part of chocolate that kills dogs. Just a random fact.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: crazychemist]
    #3324273 - 11/05/04 01:42 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

This is true. Theobromine is a stimulant with a longer life than that of chocolate.

Theophylline is another longer lived similar stimulant found in tea. Theobromine is also found in tea, but in smaller amounts.


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Re: Weed and cocoa beans [Re: Gumby]
    #3324686 - 11/05/04 03:30 PM (17 years, 9 months ago)

Hmm, I could have sworn I remembered reading somewhere that some chemicals found in chocolate were structurally similar to cocaine. Perhaps I'm imagining things!

But yes, chocolate contains lots of yummy chemicals...I wonder what it would be like to extract them and have a mega-dose of chocolate. (I'm guessing it wouldn't be too healthy)


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