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ideas vs beliefs
    #3320759 - 11/04/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i was looking through the forum and remember something that i saw in a movie "dogma". a angel asks the leading character if she has restored her belief and faith in god again that she once lost, which she replies "no but i have an idea"
even that this was comedy and taking the piss out of religion that was one of the most meaningful statements in a movie.

so are your beliefs really just ideas that you like??

do people believe to much??

what do you take away from that statement?? or if you have seen this movie and remember what i am talking about please tell more about the scene and situation.


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Re: ideas vs beleifs [Re: spudamore]
    #3320806 - 11/04/04 06:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

A belief is a thought that you cannot tell apart from yourself. It is seen as part of your being and is extremely difficult to change for this reason.

An idea is a thought that you hold to be separate from yourself and is therefore more easily affected by new input.


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Re: ideas vs beleifs [Re: spudamore]
    #3320820 - 11/04/04 06:55 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

more than 1/2 of the voters used other peoples ideas as their own, they internalized and fortified them into beliefs, and now they hang the rest of their ideas and hopes on them.
call it what you will, it seems to have been heavy "spiritual" manipulation, and faith based motivation is wielded as a weapon this way quite often.


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Re: ideas vs beleifs [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3321398 - 11/04/04 09:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Dogma is a great movie with a fantastic view on religion and how it should be compared to how it is. In the movie the say more than once that religion is a good idea, but it's the belief system imposed by the church that has made things so bad. That's why at the end she says that line. Chris Rock was the first to say it to her so it's the point where it comes full circle. In that movie, I love the way the angels view and feel towards god.


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It hurt! As a child
Tied down! That's a good boy
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Re: ideas vs beleifs [Re: Tripster]
    #3329820 - 11/07/04 10:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

""so are your beliefs really just ideas that you like??
do people believe to much?? ""

people believe they believe,even though they only present their idea? :P

:confused: :thumbup:


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Re: ideas vs beleifs [Re: Gomp]
    #3329972 - 11/07/04 11:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ideas are symbols for ineffable truths or conventional fallacies. Beliefs are ideas which you think symbolize the former (but sometimes you are mistaken and they symbolize the latter).


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Re: ideas vs beleifs [Re: the_phoenix]
    #3329993 - 11/07/04 11:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

again im gona ask, could i not be believeing anything?
evrery time i ask this, i get 'offcourse you belive stupid', but dont get many 'reasons' :smile:(not saying that i do not belive? i ask :wink: )


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