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Offlinefloydguitar
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casing ,is it worth the time?
    #3320655 - 11/04/04 06:20 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

i have been birthing off cakes for awhile now. i always dunk and roll and get good results. i was thinking of starting to do casings and i know it does take a little more time. the thing is i am taking 18 credit hours and i am always involved with school and really do not have the time. i wanted to ask the advice of other growers if they think it is worth me making time in my schedule to prepare a casing. thanks for any advice.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: floydguitar]
    #3320662 - 11/04/04 06:22 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Cakes, when dunked and given the right environment can produce good yields, but casing is the best way to go. Once you do it successfully you will see what I mean. Some others might object to this, but in general I think the most common belief is that casing is better.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: floydguitar]
    #3320683 - 11/04/04 06:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I think most people prefer cases to cakes, the yeild is much better and it is not *that* much more work than cakes, i think you should try it atleast and see how it goes :thumbup:


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: aussieone]
    #3320699 - 11/04/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

on my first grow (most recent) i made casings mainly, but i made 2 1/2 pint PF cakes as well. my casings produced fruits like 3 weeks ago, and bettedr too. granted i did just leave the cakes on tin foil in a trashbag with perllite in it in a storage bin.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: aussieone]
    #3320701 - 11/04/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

casing doesn't take that much more time. Good job with the full load of 5 classes, but do you have any labs? If you do I sympathize with you. If not, then don't think it's that hard. Science majors taking just 4 classes is very strenious.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: derx]
    #3320749 - 11/04/04 06:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

major in chemistry. then off to pharmacy school after that.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: floydguitar]
    #3320778 - 11/04/04 06:44 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

high five to that. same route as I. Actually im in the process of trying to get an internship at pfizer inc..


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: derx]
    #3320796 - 11/04/04 06:49 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

cool man good luck with that and thanks for the advice.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: floydguitar]
    #3323831 - 11/05/04 11:33 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

kramer only hassles with casing if he is using rye or spawning poo poo if your talking about brf well if your getting 7 dry grams or more per cake casing is not going to best that by much :rolleyes:


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: george castanza]
    #3323852 - 11/05/04 11:41 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Kramer is right.

For me, casings were worth it.

Out of 5 BRF jars knocked up with Ecuador, I made two 1-cake-each casings, and dunked/rolled 3 cakes.

Off the 2 cased cakes, I averaged 69.73g per cake wet on the 1st flush.

Off the 3 non-cased cakes, I averaged 45g per cake wet.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: discman1]
    #3323896 - 11/05/04 11:55 AM (12 years, 6 months ago)

discman...For the two BRF cakes you cased, what did you use to case with? Did you use a bottom casing layer?


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: MoneyAddyct]
    #3324092 - 11/05/04 12:48 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

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discman...For the two BRF cakes you cased, what did you use to case with? Did you use a bottom casing layer?


I used 60% coir, 40% verm. Yes, bottom layer.

Here's an outline of what I did.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: discman1]
    #3324213 - 11/05/04 01:24 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

damn, that's a good yield for such a simple casing tek one only on half pint cake cased. in the post you linked discman you claimed they would have been better if two cakes were together, but wouldn't that cut down on surface area, i mean it would increase the dept of the substrate which would turn out larger fruits and more flushes. well let me get to my question, for some one troubled with contams after about the second flush anyway do you think it would be better to do alot of small one cake casing and just get 2-3 flushes of smaller fruits, or do you think it would increase the weight of the yield enough to chance doing just a few casing with more than one cake in each and try to get more flushes of larger fruits. also i know people have gone over this topic many times but i figured i would ask you discman because you have tried the one cake case and you stated you were going to do it again with a buffer and i figured you would do two cakes that time so you would be able to give me comparisons on each experiment.


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Re: casing ,is it worth the time? [Re: KyKid]
    #3324258 - 11/05/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I could do a two-cake casing for comparison, sure. I'd be interested to see how it works out myself.

It's somewhat misleading with the sample only being 2... Casing#1 did a lot better than #2. I got 78.75g from #1, but only 60.7g from #2. I'm thinking that one of the most important aspects is your pinning strategy. Hopefully I can improve on those numbers.

Another thing that I believe is a symptom of the thin substrate layer is a massive ammount of aborts. Maybe a 2-cake casing would increase yield just by simply allowing more mushrooms to mature, I'm not sure.

In my opinion, I would rather have lots of small casings than only a few large ones.. I haven't had any contam problems yet, but I'm into redundancy, so that is the strategy I would choose regardless.

I might also get some smaller aluminum pans, so the substrate layer is thicker with just 1 cake... the downside being less surface area ontop to actually grow shrooms from..... I don't know how that will turn out. I'm still in major learning mode, throwing everything I can think of at the basic procedures to learn how it works. I've only been at this for a month now.

And to think, I just wanted enough for a stash... then the scientist in me kicked in.. lol


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