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    #3318519 - 11/04/04 05:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Uhh was hesitant to ask this because i think the answer is completly obvious.
But what sort of heats would u need to put on your average mushroom for it to start losing potency?
I just ask because i had a bad experience with high temperatures towards marijuana, i turned an entire batch into grass from the backyard. You'd need fairly high temperatures right?


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Re: im new... very new [Re: deagle]
    #3318530 - 11/04/04 05:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

120+ give or take


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Re: im new... very new [Re: deagle]
    #3318851 - 11/04/04 10:07 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

just don't use heat while drying and store in a cool, dry place


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Re: im new... very new [Re: deagle]
    #3318858 - 11/04/04 10:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've heard that Psilocin can begin to break down at as low as 103 degrees F. Anyone able to back that up or disprove it?

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Re: im new... very new [Re: Silven]
    #3318880 - 11/04/04 10:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It breaks down fast when there's moisture. Even at room temperature, there is still loss in potency(very very very slow degradation at room temp). Drying takes awhile and using any heat would accelerate(depending on how much heat you use) degradation expontially.

If you use less than 90F, you should be able to retain almost all the psilocybin. Psilocin is a gonner by the time you are done drying them.

Once it's properly dried, it's fairly stable. That's why you can make tea with it. You lose a bit of potency while making the tea, but not very noticeable amount because of short duration.

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Re: im new... very new [Re: deagle]
    #3318897 - 11/04/04 10:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

so, why take a chance, use no heat when you dry and store it in a cool, dry place


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Re: im new... very new [Re: gdman]
    #3318919 - 11/04/04 10:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Heat assisted drying takes a lot less time. That's why it's preferred by some. I have couple of drying chambers running with 2 computer fans each. It takes about 12-16 hours in there before it's dry enough for me to move them to desiccant drying chamber. The whole drying takes upto 2 days this way. But I heard people using commercial dryer at 95F in under 12 hours.

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Re: im new... very new [Re: Sam1912]
    #3318930 - 11/04/04 10:33 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

right, but why take chances?


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Re: im new... very new [Re: gdman]
    #3319036 - 11/04/04 11:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's faster. Faster means less time for alkaloid to degrade. I don't know where the optimum lies, but I bet it's about the same in the end. Saving time could be seen as a bonus if the chemical loss is about the same.

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Re: im new... very new [Re: deagle]
    #3319337 - 11/04/04 12:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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deagle said:
Uhh was hesitant to ask this because i think the answer is completly obvious.......





That was a very good question!

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Re: im new... very new [Re: Sam1912]
    #3319347 - 11/04/04 12:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

tupaware + desicant + wire mesh stand + mushrooms = quick drying at low temperature with minimal air movement

Cut the mushrooms in half the long way to increase surface erea. You might as well dip them in some cold water to wash off any of the grow material before sticking in the chamber.

When dry, place the mush in a jar and put it in a dark, cool place. For long term storage, put some dry ice into the jar to remove the oxygen.


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Re: im new... very new [Re: jux]
    #3321507 - 11/04/04 09:21 PM (12 years, 30 days ago)

Drying in desiccant chamber alone takes much longer time. I've experimented a bit with desiccant chamber alone and even vacuum drying. Just way too much water in the mushrooms. Not to mention it's a very wasteful with desiccant.

A little drying chamber outfitted with computer fans cut the time down significantly.


Of course I put the lid on once the mushies are insided.

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Re: im new... very new [Re: Sam1912]
    #3322010 - 11/04/04 11:13 PM (12 years, 30 days ago)

right, except that oxygen breaks down psiloc(in/ybin). the more air moving through the fans and over the mush equates to less potency.

Epsaum salt is a reusable and cheap descicant when baked.


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Re: im new... very new [Re: jux]
    #3322309 - 11/05/04 12:37 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

No. Absolutely not. Loss from free Oxygen in gaseous form causes negligible amount in 48 hours. This is why we can store cracker dry mushrooms out in the open for much much longer period. In addition, air flowing over contains just as much oxygen as the flowing air. You do not increase the number of available diatomic oxygen by fanning.

In addition, dissoved oxygen concentration in solution(that's the water in the shroomies) will vary by partial gas law. Which means, neglible(it is actually ever so slightly lower with flowing air because of lower pressure climate created by air flow). Also, quick drying will reduce the amount of dissolved oxygen faster because you have less water to dissolve it with.

Oviously, there are other free radicals in the water that would oxide as well when mushrooms are wet.

The amount of time mushroom stays wet after cultivation will make a notable difference in quality. That's why we strive to come up with swift and effective means of preservation.

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