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 ekomstop
 
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 Hillary 2008 Already in Gear 
#3316948 - 11/03/04 08:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/11/3/82051.shtml
Wednesday, Nov. 3, 2004 8:19 a.m. EST
Hillary 2008 Already in Gear
The outcome of yesterday's presidential election could determine whether Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton will have a chance to return her family to the White House.
A victory by President Bush could establish New York's junior senator as the front-runner for the 2008 Democratic nomination for president. A win by Democrat John F. Kerry could put off a run for the White House by the former first lady for at least eight years, and maybe forever, pollsters and strategists said.
"The speculation starts as soon as Bush is declared a winner, and not at all if Kerry is," said independent pollster Lee Miringoff, head of Marist College's Institute for Public Opinion.
New York's voters are split on a Clinton run for the White House. She continues to evoke strong feelings ? positive and negative ? the way she did during her 2000 Senate campaign.
Richard Stager, a retired machinist from Fayetteville, said he would support a Clinton run for president.
"It's time we had a woman president," the 73-year-old said after voting for Bush yesterday. "God only knows the men are running this country into the ground."
Bob Gibson, a 57-year-old retiree from New York City, reacted strongly to the suggestion of another Clinton presidency. Gibson is a Democrat who voted for Bush.
"I can't stand Hillary," he said. "She reminds me of my ex-wife; what a phony."
Clinton has said she would be happy if Kerry won, served two terms, and handed off to Sen. John Edwards, the vice presidential nominee, for two more terms.
"That would be great with me," she said shortly after the Democratic National Convention. "I want a Democratic White House for as long as we can have one."
"If Kerry wins, Hillary loses," declared Republican operative Nelson Warfield. "Do the math. She's fresh and 57 today. After Kerry runs for re-election [in 2008], she's 65 and old news."
But one top Clinton adviser, Harold Ickes, said yesterday that two terms for Kerry was "not a show-stopper" if the former first lady later decides she wants to run for the White House.
Ickes said he did not know if Clinton wanted to do that.
"There is a myth abroad that the Clintons really didn't want Kerry to win," Ickes said. "Nothing could be further from the truth. ... From the beginning they have wanted a Democratic president."
But a Bush win does mean "the Democrats will be in somewhat of a disarray. She's the most logical person to pick up the pieces," said Hank Sheinkopf, a Democratic consultant who worked on President Clinton's 1996 re-election effort. "She has a national organization, a national fund-raising base, and she has the former president as her greatest ally."
? 2004 Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: ekomstop]
#3316965 - 11/03/04 08:29 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I seriously hope the Democrats don't shoot themselves in the foot by nominating Hillary.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: ekomstop]
#3316969 - 11/03/04 08:30 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hillary will not run in 2008. She will not even attempt to run. Mark my words.
This election has shaken the democratic party to it's roots. Expect to see some major changes taking place...
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: ekomstop]
#3316985 - 11/03/04 08:33 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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if the dems choose her as their canadate in 08 they will be tossing away another chance to get the religious right out of office. i wouldn't mind her being president but how many people in the US are going to vote in a woman? sadly not very many, this country is full of gun toting necks that pick fun at kerry because he's not a tough rugged cowboy, you think they'd vote in a woman 
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: silversoul7]
#3316990 - 11/03/04 08:34 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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A woman president might be a breath of fresh air, though.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: ekomstop]
#3317002 - 11/03/04 08:36 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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In a presidential election, a female democrat will never win against male republican in the next 60 years. I'd bet my life on it.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: zahudulallah]
#3317004 - 11/03/04 08:36 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
zahudulallah said:
A woman president might be a breath of fresh air, though.
That's assuming she would actually become president. The Republicans could run Satan himself as president and still beat Hillary.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: Gijith]
#3317015 - 11/03/04 08:37 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gijith said:
In a presidential election, a female democrat will never win against male republican in the next 60 years. I'd bet my life on it.
Yes. If there's going to be a female president, it will probably be a Republican, like maybe Elizabeth Dole.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: silversoul7]
#3317264 - 11/03/04 09:21 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hillary Clinton as president makes me shutter to the bone. I would rather have Saddam.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: looner2]
#3317281 - 11/03/04 09:24 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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No you wouldn't.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: looner2]
#3317283 - 11/03/04 09:25 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I think Hillary would be a sweet president. But, fuck. If Kerry can't get elected given current conditions, you think Bill Clinton's liberal wife would stand a chance? No fuckin' way, man. That's too far out for this country. Sadly, I am truly beginning to realize how ass-backward my American brethern are. I really no likeys these evangelicals. They make decisions that affect me based on a worldview that has no empirical evidence. That's like me creating foreign policy based on the fact that there's a giant dragon hovering above the earth and hence we must wipe out Asia so it will land there instead of in America.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: GnuBobo]
#3317481 - 11/03/04 09:58 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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If you can't beat em, join em! Heck, Jesus apparently loves all of humanity. Jump onto the band wagon, dude! 
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: ekomstop]
#3317503 - 11/03/04 10:02 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hillary is a malicious power hungry snake devoid of all sense of morality. If anyone thinks the Bush - Kerry match was divisive, you ain't seen nothing until Hillary runs against a Republican for president... ANY Republican.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: Evolving]
#3317515 - 11/03/04 10:04 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
Evolving said:
Hillary is a malicious power hungry snake devoid of all sense of morality. If anyone thinks the Bush - Kerry match was divisive, you ain't seen nothing until Hillary runs against a Republican for president... ANY Republican.
how does Arnold sound?
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: Evolving]
#3317522 - 11/03/04 10:05 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Man, just make it a Republican dictatorship and get it over with. It doesn't matter what kind of Democrat runs, everyone will sneer "evil liberal!" regardless.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: usefulidiot]
#3317534 - 11/03/04 10:06 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
usefulidiot said:
how does Arnold sound?
Like an Austrian hillbilly.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: zahudulallah]
#3317600 - 11/03/04 10:19 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
zahudulallah said:
Man, just make it a Republican dictatorship and get it over with. It doesn't matter what kind of Democrat runs, everyone will sneer "evil liberal!" regardless.
Geesh, you really haven't got a clue, have you? I know a lot of people who liked Dean but were turned off by the Democrats for going for Kerry - the establishment smear machine was in high gear when Dean started becoming too popular. They don't want a free thinker, they want a died in the wool far left ideologue - THAT'S WHY THEY LOST. Hillary would lose because she is both that and a heartless conniving Succubus. Democrats would stand a chance if they ran someone who appeared to be a 'real person' with a 'salt of the earth' kind of personna. As it is, the Democratic establishment tends to promote people who are perceived to be effete snobs.
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: Evolving]
#3318495 - 11/04/04 02:41 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hillary vs. Arnold 2008!
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: Evolving]
#3318504 - 11/04/04 02:52 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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*dyed in the wool
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Re: Hillary 2008 Already in Gear [Re: silversoul7]
#3318505 - 11/04/04 02:53 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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they may. they will do this to force republicans to vote for the terminator. mark my works. they hate hillary so much they will vote for a nazi racist austrian
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