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OfflineWorf
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What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008
    #3317170 - 11/03/04 11:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The Democratic party is going to need to make some major changes if they hope on regaining any power in this country. Like them or not, lets discuss what they need to do in order to win.

Here are a couple of my thoughts.

No more bullshit. No more distorted messages or misleading campaigns. They need to be direct and straight to the point. They might not have as nasty commercials but they would be able to call the Republicans on any shit they try to pull.

Stronger focus on morals. Unlike trying to ban everything as the Republicans seem to want, they need to focus on freedom, choice, knowledge, and responsibility as core family values.

More focus on social liberalism and ditch fiscal liberalism. It's clear that people do not want more social programs. If they can change the connotation of the word liberal to mean someone that likes social liberties rather than someone who wants to spend it can get them a lot of votes.

Passion. They need people with fire burning within them and are not afraid of anything. A fire that will spread and invirgorate their base and frighten their enemies.

As far as a candidate is considered, someone who has a very real, likeable personality first and foremost. If people don't like a candidate they won't even listen to what they have to offer. I'm thinking someone who is young and somewhat attractive, but is smart and serious so people would respect him. Someone who is passionate about the party and knows their shit in and out. In the debates, instead of zig zagging the questions and relying on prepackaged sound bytes they could fucking nail the opponent on the issues.

What are you're guy's thoughts? What does the Democratic party need to do in order to win?


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3317177 - 11/03/04 11:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

three(3) things ..

1) get rid of the fucking DLC...
2) get rid of the fucking DLC...
3) get rid of the fucking DLC...


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3317187 - 11/03/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You pretty much hit the nail on the head. :thumbup:


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3317195 - 11/03/04 11:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What the Democrats need is another Bill Clinton.

Right now they're more self conscious than self confident. They avoid calling themselves liberals while Republicans get points for calling themselves conservatives.

Even in the Kerry campaign, JFK had to appear less liberal. When one party is trying to be more like the other party, there is obviously something missing in that party.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3317213 - 11/03/04 11:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It seems like an Okay strategy...

A few things:
--You should at least be somewhat realistic. In 4 years, the democratic party isn't going to ditch its financial viewpoint. They could and should tone it down a little.
--They need to think long and far ahead about who the republicans will most likely nominate. If a military veteran like McCain runs, they'll need one as well. Unquestionably.

edit: I should add, I can't think of any democrat who fits your qualifications too well.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3317257 - 11/03/04 11:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You another "Massachusetts Liberal" Annapurna?


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3317263 - 11/03/04 11:21 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I believe Carter is still eligible for another term.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: GnuBobo]
    #3317271 - 11/03/04 11:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yeah, that reminds me.
Geography geography geography.
If you want to be a democratic president, you have to be southern. Simple as that.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Gijith]
    #3317289 - 11/03/04 11:26 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm thinking the next candidate is going to be from an oddball state like New Mexico


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3317486 - 11/03/04 11:59 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I thought this site was right on the money.
Quote:


I spent the whole day listening to all the Leftists call into the various NPR talk shows, experiencing no small degree of schadenfreude. To hear the completely mystified callers was funny on one level, but deeply saddening on another. An entire group of people who completely do not understand, despite the asskicking, how Kerry could lose. There were, natch, allegations of fraud, completely unsubstantiated and completely unchallenged by the NPR hosts. Big suprise there. But mostly, the callers could simply not understand how Kerry could have possibly lost this election.

Because I feel a sense of civic duty, I'll give them some possible reasons and suggestions that could make them a viable party again.


1) You need to tell your real base to shut their pieholes.

I'm talking about the deranged denizens of cesspools like DaillyKos, Atrios, DemocraticUnderground and the various other hate-filled abodes of your moonbat base. Bush is not Hitler. Rove is not Machiavelli. Cheney is not a vampire. Enough with the vitriol already. You want to know why moderates are uneasy with your party? Look no farther than your masses. Every time they protest with huge signs that equate America with Nazi Germany or draw morally relativistic comparisons between America and other thugocracies you lose votes and you energize those inclined to vote against you anyway. Now, many of them are advocating revolution and violence. They are wishing tragedy and calamity on our country simply because you lost. They are anti-American.

Your fringe is dragging you down. Time to cut loose the dead weight.

2) Being religious or living in the South does not make someone stupid.

I am very religious. In fact, I belong to one of the more morally strict religions in the world. But, I am far from stupid. I have multiple advanced degrees. I have scored much higher than the national average on IQ tests. I'd wager than I know more about the world, and have seen more of it, than most people. Stop calling me stupid. Stop talking down to me. Stop acting like I am a sheep.

And stop acting like my accent makes me less than human. I grew up in the South. I love it here. I love that I am expected to say "Ma'am" and "Sir." I love it that I can hold doors for women without wondering if they consider me a sexist jerk. I love that family matters. I love that country and honor and patriotism matter. Stop belittling those things and maybe you could sway some of the more moderate conservatiives, like me. I am not opposed to civil unions. I don't think Roe vs. Wade should be overturned (although I think it could use some tweaking). I'd like to see more concern for the environment. I could have voted for someone like Joe Lieberman. But, you keep acting like we are all troglodytic knuckle draggers simply because we disagree with you on some issues. Practice what you preach. If you want tolerance, you could start by being tolerant of the fact that many intelligent and good willed people disagree with you.

3) Terry MacAuliffe is the worst party chairman in the history of politics.

If he isn't working at a Taco Bell in Seattle by next Wednesday, there is no hope for you.

4) Liberalism, or progressivism, whatever you want to call it, is dead.

Americans have rejected the socialistic leanings your platform. It is over. Get rid of it.

5) Character matters

Would it be too much for you to choose a candidate with some character and moral conviction? Since I could vote, you have run Bill Clinton, who said anything to everyone to be elected, Al Gore, who said anything to everyone to be elected and John Kerry, who said....well, do you see the pattern here? If you are so confident in your position on the issues of the day, pick a guy who stands for them all the time, not just when he is in front of a certain group.

6) We don't give a rat's ass what Bruce Springsteen, PDiddy, Ben Affleck, Alec Baldwin, Michael Moore, Barbra Streisand, Tim Robbins, Susan Sarandon, Sean Penn, Moby or any other of the super rich Hollywood cretins have to say.

Stop trotting them out in front of the camera to ask them their political opinions. They do not matter.

WE

DO

NOT

CARE.

There are lots more, but I don't want to rub salt in your wounds. You got taken out behind the woodshed yesterday. You lost because the majority of voters rejected your stances on the issues. It is that simple. You lost the battle of ideas. Now, before the cannibalism and recriminations begin, I hope you take the time to look in the mirror and see the hate filled, extremist and, dare I say, anti-American tilt your party has taken.

Sadly, I doubt you will.





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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3317490 - 11/04/04 12:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

all good points. they also need to make it clear that they have changed on self-defense rights.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: ]
    #3317587 - 11/04/04 12:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'd like to see that.

But stategically... it may not be the best move.
This can be a very polarizing issue. People on either end feel very strongly. For the people who feel strongly about gun rights, a democrat will always be an extremely hard sell. The NRA will never back a democrat. So there's some middle ground voters to gain, but maybe not too many. For people who feel strongly about gun restrictions, it could very well alienate them. I'm sure I know many people who would never vote for a democrat willing to fight for assault weapons. They'd rather vote for a third party candidate. Which, as we saw in 2000, can be an issue. So... I don't know. It would be a hard trade off.

And before someone else jumps in and takes a shot at me: I support gun rights and I always vote third party.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3317621 - 11/04/04 12:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The Democrats should fight fire with fire and start cheating, if they want to win.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: z@z.com]
    #3318543 - 11/04/04 05:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Exactly right.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: carbonhoots]
    #3318957 - 11/04/04 10:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

carbonhoots said:
The Democrats should fight fire with fire and start cheating, if they want to win.



This is the right answer, all others are wrong. Sorry guys.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: z@z.com]
    #3319003 - 11/04/04 10:56 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

wow, nice post!! :thumbup:

I like the woodshed comment...


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Gijith]
    #3319166 - 11/04/04 11:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Gijith said:
The NRA will never back a democrat.



I seem to recall them giving high marks to Howard Dean.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3321301 - 11/04/04 08:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

another thing would be not to run hillary clinton.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: ]
    #3321312 - 11/04/04 08:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Hillary will not run for the presidency. She will not even try. If democrats were winning every election left and right by huge margins... MAYBE.


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Re: What the Democrats need to do in order to win 2008 [Re: Worf]
    #3321549 - 11/04/04 09:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hilary Clinton In 2008.

Shes already anounced that she may run...

With the democrats in deep shit and having no real leader in any house, they will pressure her into running...

Im 99% sure we can see her in 4 years and I guarantee that she will win.


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