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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3315128 - 11/03/04 01:23 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Thats different Arnold IS a politician a REPUBLICAN politician Bruce Springstein is NOT a politician he's a performing ass who just lost half his audience.

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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Stein]
    #3315140 - 11/03/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Don't forget that Bruce claimed to support Kerry but when asked to explain Kerry's policies, Bruce was a deer in head lights. That was hillarious.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3315142 - 11/03/04 01:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

There's plenty celebrities for Bush.. I think the yonger Baldwin is a born again Republican since he became a born again Christian. And then you have Britney Spears' submission to the Commander and Chief. You're also forgetting the whole Michael Jackson and Ronald Reagan thing back in the 80's.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3315158 - 11/03/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I don't recall Baldwin ever stumping for Bush, as for Britney, she's happy she even remembers to breath and I don't recall her stumping for Bush either.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3315161 - 11/03/04 01:27 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Don't forget that Bruce claimed to support Kerry but when asked to explain Kerry's policies, Bruce was a deer in head lights. That was hillarious.




All things considered, just because the Democratic Party of the United States cant get their shit together doesn't mean liberal ideals world wide are wrong.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3315164 - 11/03/04 01:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I don't recall Baldwin ever stumping for Bush, as for Britney, she's happy she even remembers to breath and I don't recall her stumping for Bush either.




ONE of the Baldwins is for Bush.. one of the younger ones found Jesus.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3315166 - 11/03/04 01:29 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Most liberal ideals violate rights the idividual so i'd have to say your statement is VERY debateable.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3315179 - 11/03/04 01:31 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

How do liberal ideals violate the rights of the individual? And don't refer to gun laws please.. in terms of civil liberties, the rights of homosexuals and the crippled, liberals champion their cause.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3315180 - 11/03/04 01:32 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Most liberal ideals violate rights the idividual so i'd have to say your statement is VERY debateable.




It all depends on if you are the one benefiting or the one getting screwed.

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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3315219 - 11/03/04 01:40 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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How do liberal ideals violate the rights of the individual? And don't refer to gun laws please.. in terms of civil liberties, the rights of homosexuals and the crippled, liberals champion their cause.




one for the whole attitude (socialism), distribution of wealth, affirmative action, higher taxes. It would also appear that the liberals tend to only support the causes of minorities. I will mention gun laws because that's something I strongly believe in. Basically I don't like the idea of government telling me how to live my life. That's why I tend to side with the Libertarian philosophy so much. It's based off the premise that we all have certain idividual rights that cannot be taken away. You may not mind getting free ride from those pulling the wagon but is it fair that the pullers of society get exploited?


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Catalysis]
    #3315227 - 11/03/04 01:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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It all depends on if you are the one benefiting or the one getting screwed.




That's why I said it was debateable


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3315234 - 11/03/04 01:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

How do you reconcile with the countless interests of conservatives that are founded on religious values?

(Btw, It's nice we can have a friendly discussion like this for once :wink: )


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Catalysis]
    #3315251 - 11/03/04 01:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

mushmaster you are on the right track. my history sucks, but i remember the republicans did not control the house year after year.it was the democrates that had it for decades. so the republicans upgraded themselves. and it worked.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3315258 - 11/03/04 01:48 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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How do you reconcile with the countless interests of conservatives that are founded on religious values?




I find it just as oppresive as the socialist agenda. I don't want to be told what I believe is evil because the right says it is. I don't want to be called unamerican because I think what Bush is doing is wrong. My values are based on my observations, NOT the [insert preferred religion] handbook.

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(Btw, It's nice we can have a friendly discussion like this for once )




today is the first day i've replied to you...are you a puppet?


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3315278 - 11/03/04 01:51 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I agree that conservatives should try to be more liberal on issues like abortion (excluding late-term), research and things like that.

However, to touch on the gay marrage thing...Its not about just recognition so dont let the people on both sides fool you. The governmental institution of marrage was created with certain rights, tax breaks, etc. that were designed with the notion that most families would have kids, most women would make less money than the men and so forth. I would be in favor of creating a seperate institution for homosexuals of both genders taking into consideration thier specific needs.

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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Catalysis]
    #3315296 - 11/03/04 01:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

That gay issue was a landslide.


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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: Catalysis]
    #3315313 - 11/03/04 01:58 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

i wish the repulicans would at least look at legalizing marijuana.


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America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership.

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Re: what's wrong with the democrats? [Re: ]
    #3315860 - 11/03/04 04:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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they've been losing across the board though, and by what i think is a statistically relevent margin.



I said quite some time back that the country was shifting right and was mocked for that statement.

Bush has won twice and the conservatives have picked up seats in each election,, including the mid-term. 11 states passed constitutional amendments prohibiting gay marriage.

If the country isn't shifting to the right what other explanation is there?


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