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can someone please explain
    #3314424 - 11/03/04 01:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the electoral college to me... it would seem that the popular vote should be all that matters, but then we have this third party voting system from the abyss that always sways elections. Who is this mysterious electoral college.. and why do they rig all the elections? :smirk: not that it matters or anything, I'm just curious. So, enlighten me.


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    #3314435 - 11/03/04 01:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Electoral College Explanation

edit: I thought you were in jail.


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    #3314443 - 11/03/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The EC is there to "protect" citizens from their own "ignorance." It usually votes according to popular vote except for (I think) 10 voters throughout history. Because citizens are better educated, the EC should no longer be valid.


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Re: can someone please explain [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3314470 - 11/03/04 01:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

ah I see. So it is exactly what I thought..

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At the time, some politicians believed a purely popular election was too reckless, while others objected to giving Congress the power to select the president. The compromise was to set up an Electoral College system that allowed voters to vote for electors, who would then cast their votes for candidates, a system described in Article II, section 1 of the Constitution.




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Most of the time, electors cast their votes for the candidate who has received the most votes in that particular state. However, there have been times when electors have voted contrary to the people's decision, which is entirely legal.




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Today, a candidate must receive 270 of the 538 votes to win the election. In cases where no candidate wins a majority of electoral votes, the decision is thrown to the House of Representatives by virtue of the 12th Amendment. The House then selects the president by majority vote with each state delegation receiving one vote to cast for the three candidates who received the most electoral votes.




So basically, it's an outdated sham.. designed to manipulate the result of the elections. Even if no one voted, the electoral college would still choose a president. The popular vote doesn't even matter, it's the electoral college which has the final say. I see.


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    #3314524 - 11/03/04 01:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Popular vote wouldn't have helped kerry this election, my condolences.


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    #3314536 - 11/03/04 01:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The electoral college just helps to ensure the integrety of the votes IMO. The popular vote can be manipulated by people in power. By distributing the power directly among a more diverse number of people (electors), it becomes more of a check and balance system.


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    #3314578 - 11/03/04 01:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

the united states is a federation of many states. the federal government exists to perform those tasks which the individual states cannot, such as provide for the common defense of all states, conduct foreign policy, and settle disputes between the states. it is not supposed to be a government over the citizens of this country, but a government over the states. the states elect the chief executive of the federal government, not the individual people of each state.


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    #3314640 - 11/03/04 02:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

down with the federation


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    #3314651 - 11/03/04 02:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

in other words, up with the central government. no thanks.


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    #3314665 - 11/03/04 02:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

up with the republic
power to the people


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    #3314887 - 11/03/04 02:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

it seems the people have spoken


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Re: can someone please explain [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3314926 - 11/03/04 02:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

then I guess the people are idiots


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    #3314992 - 11/03/04 03:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Idiots or not (your minority opinion) they have spoken.


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Re: can someone please explain [Re: Shroomism]
    #3315040 - 11/03/04 03:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'll try to offer a simple explanation of the Electoral College. We all know that the Legislative branch of the US government consists of the House of Representatives and the Senate.

A simple breakdown of this:
The number of House representatives each state has is directly proportional to the population, thus the way the House votes on legislation is, more or less, the way the country's population as a whole would have voted.
Each state also gets two Senate seats, regardless of population. Therefore, the Senate votes more for the states than the population.

The Electoral College attempts to fuse the two - more populated states have more votes (popular representation); but, in most cases, all of a state's votes go for one candidate (state representation).


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