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Debate:Weed in Bible
#3310998 - 11/02/04 06:43 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I had a really good friend last year. I mean we were tight, and he was cool as hell we were almost always stoned out of our mind and just enjoying ourselves. Until reasently he sort of moved away for a while and when he got back he totally changed. He hadn't smoked weed or anything for a while. Then he says hes all religious and junk. He says he doesn't want anything to do with any of that stuff. Well anyways after all this I try to talk to him one day and see why he thinks weed is wrong. I personlly beleive marijuana is all through the bible, and like in (Genisis 1:29) God gave all seed bearing herbs for man to consume. It is also here for many other reasons such as creativity,spirituality,relaxation,study,and many more reasons. He beleives marijuana is wrong! His only reasons are he says the bible says not to cloud your mind, and obey the law of man. If this had anything to do with using weed then thats like saying not to eat sugar,caffeine,or wine at all. They all effect you even in the smallest way, And we all know Jesus would drink wine. How is that any different from smoking a joint which does a lot more for you. And if we have to obey mans law then your saying it's right to worship other gods where thats the law in other countries. His next argument is "Well I don't need weed to be creative,spiritual,or to relax." We all can, but he doesn't realize marijuana is there for us to understand or realize things we would never had before. Anyway this all comes down to he wants to have a debate using actual information and bible verses to see if it really is right or not. I'm not trying to change his beliefs I just want him to legitamitly show why he thinks hes right, and what he's basing his opinion on. Now the reason i'm talking to ya'll is I was wondering what some good arguments for or against it actually being in the Bible. I'd also like to see some bible verses some of you might have come a cross. I have a few refrences pionting to it being in the bible and going against mans law for special reasons. Genisis 1:12,29-31 Exodus 30:22-23 Psalm 104:14-15 Matthew 12:1-2,10-16
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Razz]
#3311013 - 11/02/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Weed is not in the Bible.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Razz]
#3311075 - 11/02/04 07:04 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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hah, the same thing happened to my friend as well. After highschool he moved away for university and during school break I met up with him and he had told me he joined a Christian club in his school. He had always been a Christian but he changed so much during those few short months. He is still a good guy, but his attitudes to things like drugs changed dramatically, he now believes his life is completely ruled by Jesus and God and he has to submit himself completely to Christianity. Since he knows I'm not religious he doesn't think my 'path' in life is the right one since I'm not following Jesus. I just don't get it, how could people change so quickly and so dramatically?
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: MAGnum]
#3311091 - 11/02/04 07:07 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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You may drink wine and not get drunk, but you don't have to get drunk to feel it. You may also smoke/eat weed and not get "high" In Psalm 104:14-15 it talks about God gave the wine and herbs for man to consume and to make him glad.emphasizing it to be used for relaxtion or possibly recreational use when it says to make man glad. The bilbe even has direct refrence to cannabis when talking about the ingredients to sacred ointments saying kanehbosm the root kan meaning root or hemp and bosm meaning aromatic. The word later translated from the ancient hebrew term to now known as cannabis.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: chodamunky]
#3311109 - 11/02/04 07:11 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree how can people change so quickly and dramaticly it's kind of scary. Another thing I'm not sure if he's getting the stuff he say from other ignorant followers or if hes coming up with it. Because he'll say things I know he knows isn't true seeing he smoked it so much and knows what it can do.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: chodamunky]
#3311121 - 11/02/04 07:14 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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link me directly to scripture that says jesus drank wine. he turned water into wine, but i've never read jesus directly drinking wine.
paul once said that you can drink unless it offends people, including yourself. if it does, then its a problem and you should stop.
google up 'manna and psilocybin mushrooms.' there is interesting arguments on the use of psilocybin in the bible.
many oils linked to jesus christ were compromised of cannabis in hebrew origin. i read this on 420.com. as far as all your friends changing, let them change. all hearts can change, i firmly believe that. if they feel contempt with the path they're paving, support them or drop them. don't try to send them on a guilt trip, especially if they are supporting themselves.
there are so many ways to interprit the christian bible, as it's so unclear at times and quite frankly.. vague. all people can do is argue how they feel about certain scriptures and what it means to them, a concrete definition can't be established because it's really not a concrete book. follow your heart.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Razz]
#3311156 - 11/02/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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The only reason we aren't to get drunk is because the Bible talks about how drunkenness can lead to more immorality IE premarital sex. Also, we aren't supposed to let anything master us IE addiction. So gettin' high every now and then shouldn't be bad IMO. Getting high, getting drunk, or killing a person all equal the same thing. There are no levels of sin against God. There is only rebellion against the moral standards set by God. So if you were to get high on mj all the time it would be safe to say you are "mastered" and letting your love for mj take precedence over love for God - because if you keep lovin God you wouldn't need to smoke mj all the damned time.
Also, on the question about how people change so drastically is because the love found thru Jesus is real - if you are a Christian your soul longs to be in the presence/love of God... if you get off track into immorality the Holy Spirit is constantly telling you to stop and come back, but the choice is ultimately yours to ignore and continue in your rebellion or repent. It's not until you realize SHIT! I've gotten off track that you repent and go back to God - when you do that you won't want to go back into rebellion... so alot of people give up ALOT of things so that they won't be tempted back into that rebellion. Even after a person becomes a Christian they are still in their earthly body. "the spirit is willing, but the body is weak"... and so it makes sense to give up extra alot of things to stay close..
but then again.. you'd have to be a Christian to understand what I'm saying here I guess.... I don't know how many you are, but thats me 2 cents
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Razz]
#3311157 - 11/02/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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"saying weed is bad is like saying god made a mistake."-hicks
or something to that effect
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: zSDMF]
#3311158 - 11/02/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Dude, I totally agree on letting people change, and if thats what he wants so be it. Like I was trying to say when I ask why everything he said either didn't make sense of had no kind of backup. So he challenged me to find more reason why it's not wrong and to debate. Although it's true I don't think I've ever come accross jesus actually drinking wine himself but do you think he would have turned water into wine if it was wrong? heres a good site ya'll might want to check out about this whole subject. http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Razz]
#3311183 - 11/02/04 07:31 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Matthew 11:18-19
For John the Baptist often goes without eating and has never touched a drop of liquor his whole life, and they say, "He has a demon in him." and I, the messiah came eating my food and drinking my liquor, and they say, "He is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and of the worst sort of sinners." But truly, wisdom is proved by what results from it.
Romans 14:14-23
I know and am convinced by the Lord Jesus that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. Yet if your brother is grieved because of your food, you are no longer walking in love. Do not destroy with your food the one for whom Christ died. Therefore do not let your good be spoken of as evil; for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. For he who serves Christ in these things is acceptable to God and approved by men. Therefore let us pursue the things which make for peace and the things by which one may edify another. Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food. All things indeed are pure, but it is evil for the man who eats with offense. It is good neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor do anything by which your brother stumbles or is offended or is made weak. Do you have faith? Have it to yourself before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because he does not eat from faith; for whatever is not from faith is sin.
so basicly, if you smoke weed and you truly feel it's good between you and God, you're ok, and if your friend is done smoking weed than good for him, there's no point in letting this get between you two, there's more to friendship than just getting high together (though I had alot of those kinda friends way back when )
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: JCoke]
#3311209 - 11/02/04 07:39 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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zSDMF, was that the scripture you were looking for?
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: JCoke]
#3311214 - 11/02/04 07:41 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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respect his choice, but make your own. Dont feel the need to justify your actions by selectively quoting a millenia old book. All things of this world are given to us do with as we see fit, according to our own morals and ethics.
"cant make you believe because cuz a tree is a tree but when my soul bleeds the colour that im spillin is green"-KMK
seriously though the time may come when you feel weed is no longer needed in YOUR life too, and thats good and healthy, just apreciate the good times you had with it and know that more good times await you without it.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: JCoke]
#3311228 - 11/02/04 07:45 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Exactly I have no problem with him not smoking I just asked why. Thats when he who says is so christian put me eating or smoking weed inbetween us. Instead of letting it be he tells me i'm wrong and challenges a debate which i'm open to by stating and backing up my opinion. I have no ententions of it changing our friendship I just want to learn and see why I think what I do also. It's also strange he is the one stating to be the die hard christian, yet i'm the one worryed about maintaining our freindship
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: JCoke]
#3311233 - 11/02/04 07:46 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
JCoke said: zSDMF, was that the scripture you were looking for?
i said that i never found any direct refrences to jesus christ drinking or using any 'mind-altering' substances, though admittedly, i never really looked.
not to say that jesus never drank, smoked.. whatever, i'm just saying i never remember reading that he did.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Razz]
#3311262 - 11/02/04 07:55 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Jesus didn't smoke any weed anymore than he ate shrooms. Weed and the Bible are unrelated. Why does your friend sound like he is being unreasonable to you. To me it sounds like he caught himself and got his head on straight. His religion may not be a permenant thing, but it may be enough to keep him out of that scene until he accomplishes something. I don't need weed either as I have not tried it in over 15 years.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: zSDMF]
#3311264 - 11/02/04 07:56 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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haha, yea that's one of those scriptures that seem sorta hush hush in the christian community.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: zSDMF]
#3311288 - 11/02/04 08:04 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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At the wedding in cannae, Jesus had to make more bread and fish in order to feed the growing number of people. In addition he ordered the "good" wine to be dranken first, and then the lesser quality wine to be brought out. The only clear conclusion i can draw from jesus bringing out the poor wine second is that the people would not be able to tell the difference or would have less of a negative reaction to the poor wine because their minds were already altered. In other words they were drunk. The bible does not condone this and imbibing alcohol is not considered bad in the catholic church and a many of other christian denominations. The key however is moderation. If a substance is used to often, your mind starts diverting away from god and that substance becomes in essence your "god". This would go under the classifcation of the 1st commandment, thou shalt not worship any god but me. This is the only way, however, a drug could be considered sinful. Also if the drug is harming you or people around you it is considered sinful. A drug used with temperance is acceptable and expected.
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First jesus never smoked. he was baptized by John the baptist he was secreted in the oil which put the holy spirit in him (making him "high") He also used the ointments on many others against the law of the Kings of Israel. I also know yes no one necessarily "needs" weed, but you can't argue that it does nothing and that it can't help. Like I said before I respect he doesn't want to use weed. I just want to know his reason. If he doesn't because he just don't want to or if he wants to figure things out go ahead. Although marijuana can help you get through or figure out things. His excuse well the bible says it's wrong is irrational. I just want he and I to know why he is doing something
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Razz]
#3311591 - 11/02/04 09:08 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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basically the bible and jesus preach stewardship, which is respecting your god given gifts (of mind body and healthy) and not abusing them. If your use of ANYTHING substance or action or thought, crosses the line into abuse of those gifts, god presumably doesnt want that, but thats just cuz god wants whats best for you.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Moonshoe]
#3311619 - 11/02/04 09:13 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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Such a cute view of the world, isn't it?
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: deff]
#3311928 - 11/02/04 10:20 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I was talking with an acqauintance yesterday, and he was telling me that in the bible it mentions something or other of THC. I didn't say anything as to not embarrass him, but geeeeeez. Same guy told me the story of how his supposed friend ate too much acid and then thought he was a glass of orange juice for the rest of his life (i've had many people tell me this). Same guy told me he had a friend who dosed acid and jumped out a window because he thought he could fly. GEEEEEEEEEEZ. Sorry this is sort of off topic.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: DMTelepath]
#3313255 - 11/03/04 08:10 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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If you continue to read in Romans, it mentions that the "strong" eat meat (which in this case was meat that was sold in market after it had been sacrificed to idols) and the "weak" abstain. It also mentions that the strong should not look down on the weak, nor should the weak hold the strong in contempt. If this is so, you friend is also wrong for lookin down on you because you feel that you have the freedom to enjoy what God has made. I truly believe that God made all plants for us to use wisely. Cannabis is a good medicine, but what actually includes "medicine." If I smoke a spliff to relax, or puff a bowl for back pain, both these acts could be considered medicinal. Just try to be there for your friend, even if he doesn't like what you're doing. Support him and be nice!
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Moonshoe]
#3313431 - 11/03/04 08:54 AM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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You just want to know his reason? It's because he's brainwashed. He's in a cult, you've lost your friend.
If you're going to still be friends with him, I would not suggest being supportive of his position. I think you should make your world view very clear to him and let him decide if he still wants to associate with you. If you two can be friends, you should be. Friends are good. But you'll never see eye to eye about this and you should both just accept that. Trying to dissuade each other will only breed contempt.
Play dominos, just don't debate pot.
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Quote:
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Just because someone stops doing drugs doesn't mean they're in a cult... it sounds like it'd be all the way around
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The cult of the general american population i believe he meant. The zombies that spread misinformation like aids.
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Re: Debate:Weed in Bible [Re: Razz]
#3316314 - 11/03/04 06:27 PM (19 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wish I still had my references from school
But in the Old testamant they use a ointment made from Cana grass
If you cross reference the original Hebrew text, Cana grass is weed.
I am only going on memory so please don't anyone say I am wrong.
Anyway the priest had to get rubbed down over their entire body with this stuff. They could not enter the tabernacle without this stuff. Think about it..............If I rubbed your entire naked body down with Hash oil you would get very high. The priests were stoned
Dude I have been around the church more than once. And after spending great amount of time close walking with Jesus. I learned something very important about drugs and God
If anything you do takes you from the path then stop. If what you do keeps you on the path then don't stop.
God has a plan for anyone who choses to follow him. I for one cut way back on the herb when I was a active member of my church. I was ordained as a prophet. I was under the gun so to speak. But,I never gave up the herb.
So someone might say my continued use caused me to fall. Mabey that's true. But God has never left me. He dosen't make me feel bad for the choices I make.
And that is the real lesson to understand. If the people around you are making you feel bad about your choices. Then they are not close to the God I know.
You will not find any good arguement to win a debate with 99% of Christians. It is better to just be who you are and enjoy your freindship. If your friend stops being your friend or something stupid. Then you be the better human and keep loving him. Christians hate that, When you don't change and still love them.
I for one always believed that Jesus was a big time sinner until he was 31. Then he did his fathers work. This beliefe is part of why I don't go to churh any longer. Jesus was God being a man. A man gets high and fucks etc..........
See God had to become a Man and then show it is possiable to overcome sin. To give all. God died as a Sin free man to show man he can overcome everything in the name of love.
Jesus was a man who got high and sinned like a big dog. LOL But when the time came he dropped it all for the goal.
So in conclustion. God gives each man a Goal. It's up to you to follow that goal. What ever it is. Only you will know. So if getting high is Ok between you and God then it is.
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To say that someone is brainwashed because they do not prefer to take drugs is insane. Many people DO NOT take drugs. When a debate has hit this point something really messed up has happened. Most of the entheogen users here speak of freedom and choice so to imply that someone does NOT have a choice but to take drugs is screwed.
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http://www.cannabisculture.com/backissues/cc11/christ.html - "The "m" is a pronounced plural, and the singular kaneh-bos SOUNDS REMARKABLY SIMILAR to the modern cannabis." _ Even though i want to... I just cant buy this... Just because a word SOUNDS like cannabis doesn't mean its translation is such. The anointing oil for priesthood used primarily in the O.T. was meant for aromatic purposes, like a cologne. "Although often mistranslated as "calamus", the word has been translated as "fragrant-cane" in most modern bibles, and specifically designates the fragrant flowering tops of cannabis.Cannabis has been used as a material for a long time but never for a ingredient in fragrances. Although their version of Jesus' baptism by John describes it as involving submersion under water, the term "baptism" has connotations of "initiation", and GNOSTIC scriptures indicate that the original rite was performed in conjunction with the kaneh-bosm anointing rite, "the anointing taking place either before or after the baptismal ceremony." _ First of all, Gnosticism is the doctrine of certain pre-Christian pagan, Jewish, and early Christian sects that valued the revealed knowledge of God and of the origin and end of the human race as a means to attain redemption for the spiritual element in human beings and that distinguished the Demiurge from the unknowable Divine Being, or someone who claimed to have special knowledge, particularly of a religious nature, such as passwords for getting into the heavens or for controlling angels.
". . . you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. . . . the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit - just as it has taught you, remain in him." (1 John 2: 27)." _ When Jesus came to earth he separated the gap between us and God, the need for sacrifices, physical anointment's, and going through a preist to talk to him became entirely unnecessary and ineffective, as we received him (the holy spirit) inside of us. The anointing he is talking about is not physical, it is the spiritual anointing we received from him to go and speak his truth to all nations, baptizing (no, not f*cking them up) in the name of the Father, Son, and HS. ". . . the Christian, the 'smeared or anointed one', received 'knowledge of all things' by his 'anointing from the Holy One' (1 John 2: 20). Thereafter he had need of no other teacher and remained forevermore endowed with all knowledge (v. 27)." _ We have no need of any other teacher BECAUSE he has ALREADY given us the command (anointing if you will) to go and preach, True knowledge is the gift of the Spirit (Isaiah 11:2), and the function of the Spirit is to lead non-Christians to the truth (John 14:17, 26; 16:13). It seems like a fabrication and manipulation of the facts to me... although, I do have a professor fluent in Greek, Hebrew, and the Septuagint who I will ask tomorrow in case I'm completely off base here.
-------------------- "At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.?
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