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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: nonick]
    #4760397 - 10/05/05 07:33 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

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taking mushrooms and being libertarian couldn't go more hand in hand. just think about it. if you take mushrooms, you are breaking the law. that should be a pretty strong message to any leftists out there that the government is NOT the answer.



I think most leftists would simply say that this means the laws should be changed, not that government is inherently bad.


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: Silversoul]
    #4760564 - 10/05/05 08:27 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

eh.....i think it gets through to some leftists on that more fundamental level. i understand your point, and i agree that some people who take mushrooms reamin loyal to their masters, but those who actually stretch their minds and give thinking a go while under the influence of mushrooms usually come around to the correct understanding of government.

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: nonick]
    #4761920 - 10/06/05 12:28 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

taking mushrooms and being libertarian couldn't go more hand in hand.

There is the problem that allowing capitalism free reign to ravage the environment in search of short-term profit results in the rapid extinction of many forms of life on earth. There's more money to be made in short term measures that destroy the planet than long term thinking. That's where a power greater than the corporate executive can play an important role.

I'm presuming most people on mushrooms care about the environment - maybe that's just the "lefties" tho.

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: Alex213]
    #4761960 - 10/06/05 12:35 AM (18 years, 5 months ago)

There's nothing inherent in the free market which says short-term profits must be valued over long-term profits. Indeed, a company with the foresight to see the long-term gains of sustainability stands to gain quite a lot in the free market over the long term. I reccomend reading the book Natural Capitalism, which covers this exact subject.


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: Silversoul] * 2
    #24855604 - 12/19/17 10:41 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

i have not been on here for a long time, but it is undestandably anti government. As a libertarian socialist and environmentalist im all for smashing the state, aslong as we can also smash corporate power

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: MushiesAreVegan] * 4
    #24855621 - 12/19/17 10:50 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

GOP: have you ever tried hating the poor?

Libertarians: have you ever tried hating the poor, on weed?


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
    #24855644 - 12/19/17 11:07 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Wasn't it Nixon who passed the first sweeping drug bans? Wasn't Nancy Reagan the face of the anti-drug movement? MAYBE THATS WHY DRUG FORUMS LEAN LEFT. CRAZY HUH. Try to have some perspective, christ.

I find it hilarious to associate mushrooms with libertarianism, after all it was a banker who introduced  magic mushrooms to the world at large.

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: Bozko] * 4
    #24855652 - 12/19/17 11:15 AM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Abbie Hoffman (discoverer of lsd) escaped from prison with the help of the Weather Underground (radical leftist group).

If you lean right youre an idiot. Every ounce of progress we've gained has been because of the left.


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24855755 - 12/19/17 12:12 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Abbie Hoffman (discoverer of lsd) escaped from prison with the help of the Weather Underground (radical leftist group).

If you lean right youre an idiot. Every ounce of progress we've gained has been because of the left.






wasnt that leary? idk about hoffman being arrested

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: MushiesAreVegan]
    #24855785 - 12/19/17 12:26 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #24855889 - 12/19/17 01:32 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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taking mushrooms and being libertarian couldn't go more hand in hand.  just think about it.  if you take mushrooms, you are breaking the law.  that should be a pretty strong message to any leftists out there that the government is NOT the answer. 




That doesn't say anything about "government" it says something about certain laws and persons within our society who support them. As someone else pointed out those laws were entirely proposed, enacted, and supported by the right so why would anyone in favor of drugs then side with the right?

Government is not inherently bad or good, like most things, it simply depends what you use it for. If you blanketly outlaw and punish all drug users as criminals that's bad. If you regulate those same drugs for safety and offer support and social programs for those who want to quit but cannot then that is a good use of government involvement with drugs.

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: qman] * 2
    #24855893 - 12/19/17 01:35 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

Couldn't believe who responded here, then looked at the timestamp. Lol


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24855899 - 12/19/17 01:39 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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Government is not inherently bad or good, like most things, it simply depends what you use it for. If you blanketly outlaw and punish all drug users as criminals that's bad. If you regulate those same drugs for safety and offer support and social programs for those who want to quit but cannot then that is a good use of government involvement with drugs.




depends what you mean by government. If we talk nation state, then all of them are bad (imo), just some are a lesser evil. As long as government is top-down and authoritarian, it does not work for the people, but against them.

Im in favour of self organisation in an antiauthoritarian way.

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #24855905 - 12/19/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

:oldthread:


:oldman2:  . . . :peace:


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: MushiesAreVegan]
    #24855910 - 12/19/17 01:44 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

What is "self organization in an antiauthoritarian way" that does not result in some form of government? I might agree with you that all current nation state's governments are bad, but I would disagree that somehow can be extrapolated that government itself is bad.

edit: Damn, I didn't realize this thread was so old.

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: krypto2000]
    #24855938 - 12/19/17 02:03 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

well, depends on what you define government as. in rojava for example (northern syrian kurdish regions) they implemented what is called democratic confederalism. most of the descisions made are made in the communities by seperated male and female assemblies (seperation nescessary due to te patriarchical nature of syrian society), with the woman havin veto power. Delegates are sent to higher assemblies where they represent the will of the people, not lobbyists. They do have a very limited government, as they are in a situation of active war with daesh and the turkish state who wants to smash them...

i dont really have a blue print to what is possible or should happen, as those things are usually figured out by the people participating in the struggle locally

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: vinsue]
    #24855944 - 12/19/17 02:05 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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vinsue said:
:oldthread:


:oldman2:  . . . :peace:





shit i didnt notice :grin:

it just kind of popped up on my forum page, no idea why... very new around here

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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: MushiesAreVegan]
    #24855949 - 12/19/17 02:07 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Abbie Hoffman (discoverer of lsd) escaped from prison with the help of the Weather Underground (radical leftist group).

If you lean right youre an idiot. Every ounce of progress we've gained has been because of the left.






wasnt that leary? idk about hoffman being arrested




Shit youre right. It was Tim Leary.


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #24855963 - 12/19/17 02:17 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
Abbie Hoffman (discoverer of lsd) escaped from prison with the help of the Weather Underground (radical leftist group).

If you lean right youre an idiot. Every ounce of progress we've gained has been because of the left.




More Republicans voted in favor of the Civil Rights Act than Democrats, so that bolded statement is just full of pomposity.

Also Republicans like John McCain were the deciding votes on the repeal of Obamacare. Depending on who you ask that is at least continued progress to a better healthcare system for Americans. Not exactly a checkmark for the "right" but it isn't something you can shrug off either.


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Re: Has the main ideological bent of this board shifted? [Re: zahudulallah] * 1
    #24856094 - 12/19/17 03:27 PM (6 years, 3 months ago)


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