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Taxes: Canada Vs. USA
    #3308939 - 11/02/04 01:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Whenever I mention possibly moving to Canada in the future (I'm french canadian and want to head back to the "mother land") the first thing people try to force on me is the fact that canadians have to pay an outrageous amount of income taxes and federal taxes each year. Does anyone know the differences in the average %'s of taxes paid by the average middle class citizen of each country? Do canadians really get "screwed over"?


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3308950 - 11/02/04 01:50 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Rich Canadians pay a lot, I know that.

It is hard to get a professional athelete to move to Canada, because they pay sooo much of their check to tax.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3308959 - 11/02/04 01:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Here's a decent thread where pinky and trendal went through the numbers:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/3164935/page//fpart/1/vc/1


I've considered moving up there. The Canadians I know love it. I visit often and always enjoy myself tremendously... But I'm not sure what to believe. If possible, I might do some geo research up there next year, so I guess I'll get a better taste of it then.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3309019 - 11/02/04 02:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Canada is essentially what I would call a "Nanny State." You pay high taxes, and in exchange, the government coddles you and provides every little thing for you to make sure you avoid having to face the consequences of bad decisions. Personally, I prefer a government that treats me like an adult, but I guess if you like to be dependent on the state, go for it. They don't have it to the degree that Sweden does, but more so than we have in the States.

Actually, in some ways I'd prefer Canada, in that they tend to have more social freedom, even if they do have very little economic freedom. So that's another trade-off to consider. I'd understand such a decision, and despite my disgust for socialism, I could personally see myself moving to Canada if the American government became too restrictive of personal freedoms.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3309162 - 11/02/04 02:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well we pay sales tax on most things we buy: its 7 or 8% in some provinces and 15% in others (Ontario, for example).

On top of that we, of course, pay income tax. Income tax ranges (on a federal level only, we also pay provincial income tax) from 16% for income under $35,000 to 29% for income over $113,804. Provincial rates vary. For my province, Ontario, TOTAL income tax rates (federal+provincial) range from about 22% to about 40%.

A good page to check out for info on all this is here:
http://www.taxtips.ca/tax_rates.htm

Hope that helps! We pay about the same in income tax (at least for those with lower income levels) as you do in the USA, but we tax the rich quite a bit more here. I don't mind paying a little more to get the services I do. I really don't understand ideas like "nanny state"...as the government certainly doesn't provide "every little thing" for me. I pay them money, they give me unlimited access to health care, good roads to travel on, and all the other usual services that western govermnents provide (employment insurance and the like).


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: silversoul7]
    #3309266 - 11/02/04 03:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)


Canada is essentially what I would call a "Nanny State." You pay
high taxes, and in exchange, the government coddles you


It sounds as if on a 1 to 10 scale as far a "nanniness" goes, Canada
is an 8 and the U.S. is a 5.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3309292 - 11/02/04 03:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks a bunch Trendal! In your opinion, what are some great citys and towns to visit in ontario?


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3309363 - 11/02/04 03:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Definitely Toronto! Wild city with a ton of stuff to do. I've heard that the Stones like to chill out in Toronto, and used to cause a ruckus back in the day. Ottawa is a nice city, too, and great if you want to see all the government buildings and such. Niagara Falls is always a site, for a few minutes, if you've never seen it. That's just Southern Ontario (the province of Ontario is pretty big) but there's not a whole lot up in Northern Ontario except forest, lakes, and rocks (stunning, though, if you enjoy nature).

Though to be honest...British Columbia is where it's at, these days. It's hard to find someone under 30 who wouldn't mind moving out to BC :smirk:


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: trendal]
    #3309452 - 11/02/04 04:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Toronto is a great city, but it's filled with SARS and Canoodians... :mad:


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3309466 - 11/02/04 04:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Why is BC the "hot spot"?


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3309492 - 11/02/04 04:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

bc's great but our goverment is a bunch of bandits. i too disagree with "nanny state". we pay more fr better service and they at least pretend to listen, seemingly, more than the states. but they dont baby anyone.

bc is a hot spot cause it has everything. probably the best skiingin in canada, surfing, rock climbing, caving, countless other outdoor activities. and if city life is for you there are a few bigger cities that are pretty different from eac other and are all pretty cool, for a city. i can drive 5 minutes and be in the mountains looking over the ocean in deep rainforest. its a nice place unfortunatly its getting taken a little bit at a time.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: kadakuda]
    #3309549 - 11/02/04 04:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

so ontario cant really compare with southern bc? is marijuana dealt with in the same way in these two provinces or differently?


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3309566 - 11/02/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

nanananotehead said:
Why is BC the "hot spot"?





That's why.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3309643 - 11/02/04 04:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The enforcement of marijuana laws changes from place to place, and mostly depends on the individual cops who happen to catch you. I haven't been out to BC, so someone from there will have to fill you in on the situation there. Here in Ontario it is fairly common to be let off with a warning (and lose your buds) if you don't have too much on you. I've also had friends growing who got raided and just got a warning from the cops who showed up (he only had a few plants, 5 I think...more will get you in trouble guarunteed). From my personal experience, your chances are pretty high (pun) that if you get caught with a bag of weed you'll be let off. Don't quote me on that, though :smirk:


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: silversoul7]
    #3309645 - 11/02/04 04:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thank you canadians for defending against the "nanny state" claim!


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: oggleman]
    #3311002 - 11/02/04 08:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

its totally a cop thing.  we've been bust by my house with tons of beer (were quite obviously underage back then) and bong/pipe/tins layed out all over teh deck at night.  cop comes says this is a dawn to dusk part, we shoot the shit a bit then he says we need to leave before he starts writing liquor tickets.  1 hour south where i used to live high school kids were literally handcuffed and put in jail till tehir gaurdians came to pick tehm up, and they would get a record...no matter what.  it is totally a place to place thing.  canada cane be great and canada can be like the more right wing america.  it totally depends who the cop is.

silversoul-  i liek to think theres a little more that weed and mushrooms to visit bc for...but whatever gets people to spend money :smile:


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: nanananotehead]
    #3315912 - 11/03/04 06:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It varies from province to province, but yes, Canadians definitely get screwed over. A single male making the equivalent of US $18,000 annually will see just under half his money stolen by government if he lives in Ontario, just over half of it stolen if he lives in Quebec. And yes -- you read that right -- I am not talking about $180,000 I am talking about $18,000 annually. Eighteen thousand dollars.

If you're working at a job where you are making real money (like maybe US $40,000 annually), that figure quickly surpasses 60%.

As for all these comments about Canadians having more "social freedom", I'd really like to see someone give at least one concrete example of a social freedom Canadians have that Americans don't.

If you want to move to Canada, go for it. There are nice things about living in Canada. But you will be financially far worse off, medically far worse off, and the Canadian winters suck big time, especially if you intend to live in Quebec.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: Phred]
    #3316015 - 11/03/04 07:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I pay over $150/month for health insurance. If instead of paying that to an insurance company it was factored into my monthly taxes I don't see a huge difference between the US and Canada.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: cb9fl]
    #3316086 - 11/03/04 07:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I must be missing something here, i looked at the site suggested http://users.rcn.com/srgc/training.htm and it doesnt look like people in Ontario pay 50% for taxes. It looks like people in Quebec are getting raped though.


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Re: Taxes: Canada Vs. USA [Re: cb9fl]
    #3316089 - 11/03/04 07:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I enjoy taking my family to the physician of my choice and recieving the treatment of my choice. I also like having access to more experimental medicine and higher quality care in case of something serious. I work hard for my money and i deserve to spend that money on quality healthcare.


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