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Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium !
    #3308319 - 11/02/04 10:45 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have ordered a honey mushroom grow kit from www.sunriseseed.com
and got a package with dried mycelium on something that looks like millet.
The front side of the package looks like that:



The instruction says that you can grow the mycelium on straw?! and wood.
Here is the google translation of the italian text:

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ON THE STRAW. The straw, of blond grain, good free quality from mildew and sporci?zia, goes cut in pezzetti of 2-3 cm, having cure to work in atmosphere and with clean tools in order not to pollute the end product. The straw goes watered more times in the rime?scolandola arc of 3-4 hours affinch? becomes humid uniform and therefore left to sgocciolare. The just humidity degree is caught up when the straw does not yield water spontaneously but only when, if tightened with force between the fingers, rilascia some drops. The straw with micelio (the seed of fungus is stirred hour) and they are filled up of the plastic bags give approximately 5-10 litri.Una envelope of micelio dry is worth for 10 liters of compound. The mouth of the bags with pez?zette of clean rubber piuma or sponge affinch? micelio breaths and developments are closed. The bags go maintained to a temperature of the 22-28 ?C for 30-40 days until all straw will be invaded from one gradevole mildew odore white woman. To this point the bags go open and places in a humid atmosphere, ombreggiato but sufficiently illuminated (avoiding light or direct sun) in order to concur the fruttificazione that will be long and abundant. The ideal temperature is of 12-25 ?C. In alternative the fungi in garden can themselves be produced, in an angle ripa?rato from the sun and the wind, burying nearly completely the compound whitened removed from the plastic bags and covering it with a light fine earth layer. If the earth comes mante?nuta humid, within 15-20 days will begin to be born the first fungi.
ON WOOD STOCKS. All the stocks of latifoglie can be used nearly but the most adapted are those than poplar. The inoculazione of the stocks can be made during all the year but preferibil?mente from You open them to June and the putting to dwelling from August to October. To use an angle of one fresh room and buia. The ideal * is one wine cellar. A cleaned up cardboard is spread for earth, inu?midisce and cosparge of micelio sbriciolato avoiding d? to step on it or to soil it. Sbriciola anchor is arranged therefore to a first layer of stocks and on they micelio. Therefore according to layer of stocks, micelio and therefore via until to a maximum of 5 layers. On the last layer after to have sbriciolato the micelio it is placed other sheet of cartone.Si covers finally all with bags of juta or woven, inumidisce still and protegge with a polyethylene sheet without to seal itself. If all it has been second made the rules already after 15 days the micelio it begins its svi?luppo that it will be concluded after 3-4 months. During all the time the temperature must remain between the 20 and 28 ?C. If it exceeds them, you can remove the cloth d? plastic for 2-3 days (you open alone if necessary). The development of the micelio will be completed when the stocks will be wrapped from a mildew bianca;? this the moment in which the stocks go puttinges to dwelling bury you for 3/4, in giardino.nei fields or the underbrush. The production will happen from the autumn to the spring for the three years succeeded to you.




Here is also a pdf version in italian.
Here are some more interesting links about the dried mycelium:
http://www.funghiitaliani.it/rivista/main/la%20coltivazione%20dei%20funghi.htm
http://www.mushroomania.co.uk/cg020001.html
http://www.funghimara.it/

I am wondering if someone ever had success with using dried mycelium as spawn or growing armillaria mellea (honey mushroom) ?
Anybody ever tried a similar product ?


Edited by ragadinks (11/02/04 03:26 PM)


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ragadinks]
    #3308423 - 11/02/04 11:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:headbang:

In that old thread i asked, how these dried mycelium
preparations are made and how long is their selflife...
Any new info now Raga? (or anybody..)

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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: Speeker]
    #3309126 - 11/02/04 02:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thanks for the links!! have you ordered from the others?


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: Speeker]
    #3309270 - 11/02/04 03:11 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

hi speeker,

if I remember right that link to the shop was from you :wink:.

> In that old thread i asked, how these dried mycelium
> preparations are made and how long is their selflife...
> Any new info now Raga? (or anybody..)

On this italian web page it says a bit about under section "Il micelio":

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Il micelio secco non ? altro che il micelio fresco disidratato con opportuni accorgimenti. Il micelio deve essere essiccato con macchine che diano sufficiente garanzie d'igiene, che non lo riscaldino togliendogli potere germinativo, n? che ne rompano la struttura cellulare disidratandolo (liofilizzazione). Il micelio secco, che solo in casi particolarissimi viene usato nella coltivazione da reddito, ? fortemente diffuso a livello amatoriale.  Al fungicoltore professionista il micelio secco non interessa poich?, se ben preparato, ? di pi? alto costo ed ? comunque pi? facilmente inquinabile all'atto della semina e successiva reidratazione. L'amatore acquista pi? volentieri il micelio secco poich? pi? facilmente conservabile e di facile trasporto; inoltre per le piccole quantit? di substrato che andr? ad inoculare, le maggiori difficolt? di utilizzo non rappresentano per lui un grosso rischio economico.  Quando ? possibile, comunque, soprattutto a livello di costi, ? sempre consigliabile utilizzare micelio fresco in particolare perch?, indipendentemente dal fatto che il micelio sia fresco o secco, per unit? di peso di substrato vengono sempre utilizzate le medesime unit? di volume di micelio. Il micelio infatti viene commerciato a volume (litri) e non a peso, che dipende dalla pi? o meno elevata percentuale di acqua contenuta. Quando si acquista micelio fresco ? bene controllare che sul fondo del contenitore non vi siano eccessivi depositi di liquidi (acqua di percolazione normalmente di colore giallastro) n? macchie di colori vari che sarebbero indice di cattiva conservazione del prodotto. Quando si acquista micelio secco ? bene sapere che la parte biologicamente attiva (micelio) ? quella polverulenta che riveste i cereali e, in parte, contenuta negli stessi, non quest'ultimi che sono solamente il substrato di sviluppo del micelio.





Normal spawn is made on millet or oat and then dried in a sterile environment with "the help of machines that do not heat the mycelium up anymore and do not destroy the cellular structure".
He speaks of "liofilizzazione" which should be Lyophilization or freeze-drying in english.
The process is described very well in the article "PRESERVATION AND DISTRIBUTION OF FUNGAL CULTURES".
But I do not know how long the dried mycelium would last ??


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3309279 - 11/02/04 03:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

> thanks for the links!! have you ordered from the others?
No, this is my first experiment with this kind of spawn ...


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ragadinks]
    #3309332 - 11/02/04 03:30 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Okay, so it is freeze drying they use ... thanks..

>But I do not know how long the dried mycelium would last ??
that packet has no expiration date then?

my swedish cultivation book says that some of these
preparations are good for about six months..


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: Speeker]
    #3309364 - 11/02/04 03:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

> that packet has no expiration date then?
No, none. I also was wondering about that ...
Does not seem to be a law in italy :wink:

> my swedish cultivation book says that some of these
> preparations are good for about six months..
Hope that is not too old ! But we will see soon ...


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ragadinks]
    #3324428 - 11/05/04 02:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Are there any english suppliers of this type of spawn?
Edit: Let me rephrase that... Is there any suppliers of this type of spawn in the USA, or any that will ship here? Any problems obtaining spawn like this from overseas?


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ATWAR]
    #3325080 - 11/05/04 05:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you are living in the US - Sunrise Seeds (www.sunriseseeds.com) is located in the US (P.O. BOX 501; Union City; Indiana 47390).
If you are living in England this supplier would be suited for you:
http://www.mushroomania.co.uk/cg020001.html

So I think it no problem at all. Are you gonna try it out ?


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ragadinks]
    #3325725 - 11/05/04 08:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Are you gonna try it out ?




I was considering it, it is worth a shot anyway. Although, I believe I have heard of nothing but failures with these seed packets. Sunrise seeds appears to have a limited selection though. I would be interested in how your honey mushroom spawn works out, as that would probably be the species I would try as well...

$8.50 US for a packet of spawn really isn't that bad provided it is viable...


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ATWAR]
    #3326895 - 11/06/04 08:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I will try to inoculate some pasteurized straw with it today or tomorrow and report back how it turned out.
But growing honey mushrooms would be great - though I have never seen such a grow on the internet ...


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ragadinks]
    #3328536 - 11/06/04 09:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Indeed it would be great to grow them. I assume you are going to take a piece of spawn and put it on agar, just in case the straw method fails... If not, then may I suggest you do so?


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ATWAR]
    #3329466 - 11/07/04 03:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

> I assume you are going to take a piece of spawn and put it on agar, just in case the straw method fails... If not, then may I suggest you do so?
That was exactly my intention :wink: ...


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    #3330312 - 11/07/04 06:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Just making sure...
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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ATWAR]
    #3331965 - 11/08/04 02:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yesterday I have inoculated a bucket of straw and some agar plates with the dry mycelium.
When I have results I will post them in this thread.


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    #3332497 - 11/08/04 09:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I look forward to your results ragadinks...
Your stuff is always interesting to me :wink:


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    #3332776 - 11/08/04 11:58 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

me to, thanks raga.


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: lonestar2004]
    #3333615 - 11/08/04 04:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks to you all - when I have success with the mycelium I will send you a wedge :smirk: :wink: :grin:


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ragadinks]
    #3337326 - 11/09/04 03:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Update:
The mycelium just starts to 'invade' the petri dishes.
The mycelium that comes out of the dried millet is kind of thick and 'hairy'.
Hope it is not cobweb :confused: ?


Edited by ragadinks (11/11/04 04:00 AM)


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Re: Honey mushroom grow kit with dried mycelium ! [Re: ragadinks]
    #3345141 - 11/11/04 03:59 AM (12 years, 30 days ago)

Bad news :frown: !
The mycelium that comes out looks like tempeh.
Seems to be some kind of black mold - I will post some pics this weekend.


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