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What's up with MHRB?
    #3306009 - 11/01/04 05:54 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Anyone know what's up?

I heard rumours of some pressure for MHRB to be removed from shelves.

Iamshaman no longer carries it.

I also heard canadian customs seized someone's order and put the recipient under investigation...

Is Jurema to soon dissapear completely from the ethno market?
WTF is their problem with DMT/aya?
It hasn't caused any deaths/health/addiction problems that i know of yet.

I'm wondering if it is still safe to order the stuff without getting into legal trouble, even outside USA and Canada, since the US gov tends to like other countries to be equally as dedicated to their war on drugs...

Edited by esin (11/01/04 06:05 PM)

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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: esin]
    #3306239 - 11/01/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I saw iamshaman doesn't carry it, but do you ahve any links or anything?


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: esin]
    #3306521 - 11/01/04 07:59 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

The person who got a package seized is some guy from dmtworld. He deleted all his posts there afterwards.

The rest is rumour i've heard somewhere. Hopefully just paranoia.

Just wanted to know if anyone knew anything more about it...

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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: esin]
    #3306539 - 11/01/04 08:03 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

still curious how they took it off iamshaman, any word from bodi?


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: esin]
    #3306938 - 11/01/04 09:24 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

They probably found someone who was mass-extracting the DMT and selling it.

Therefore, no reputable dealer in ethnos will carry it for the sheer fact that there is now a known case of illegal activites related to it.

All conmjecture, but i''d bet that's what happened.


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: Randolph_Carter]
    #3307422 - 11/01/04 11:24 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

free the mimosa...


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: esin]
    #3308747 - 11/02/04 11:00 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

surely dmtworld or ayahuasca.com forums have to know...plenty of posts on the subject there I'm sure.

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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: gdman]
    #3310089 - 11/02/04 03:45 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I emailed iamshaman and in the response, a link to this explains why:

http://www.iamshaman.com/mhrbpv.htm

Hey, why have you stopped carrying MHRB and P. Viridis specimens?

Many have asked us why we have recently stopped offering our MHRB and Psychotria Viridis products, so we thought we would offer a direct response here on the site:

We have been leading our own personal fight to provide consenting adults with access to plants that have such a rich, sacred history in both Shamanism and indigenous cultures in various parts of the world for several years now, but in light of recent statements and actions by the Federal Government and the DEA, we have, for now, decided that the fight may be growing too uncertain to our own freedom to continue.

First, in the recent Alan Shoemaker case, he was charged with illegally importing DMT with intent to distribute when his shipment of Banisteriopsis Caapi vine and Psychotria Viridis leaves from Peru were confiscated. When his defense team asked for a dismissal of the case, Judge Baverman, stated his opinion of Schedule I substances in no uncertain terms:

"Baverman found that the Controlled Substances Act, while not specifying the vines or leaves as illegal substances, covers 'any material' that contains DMT. 'When Congress speaks clearly, the court must follow what Congress has stated,' the judge wrote."

The intent of the courts and the DEA was made obvious and the reason the case hasn’t moved forward, is simply because Alan Shoemaker left the country and is now living in Peru. Otherwise, he would be in the middle of an extremely ugly court battle, with a great number of people anxiously awaiting the outcome. In short, in that particular court case, the courts feel that “any material” was meant to include any actual plant that DMT may reside in, making the plant itself illegal as well. This would make anyone who imports or distributes “any material” containing DMT technically open to prosecution, though our legal team has stated that they feel “pretty confident” that they could win such a case.

(By the way, the dictionary defines “material” as “1. the substance of which something is made or composed” as well as “2. something that serves as crude or raw matter to be used or developed.” It has been argued that the plant itself or its dried leaves and vines may not fit the first definition, but especially not the second definition, simply because possessing the leaves or vines does not constitute any intent to “use or develop” in any way.)

We know that no one here or any of our treasured customers would do anything deemed illegal with these sacred plants, and simply want the freedom to exercise our right to have these plants on our Shamanic altars, or to study them, or to have them around us as a reminder of the rich and sacred traditions of dying cultures that we hold so dear, but the Federal Government has given indirect indications that they wish to make even that difficult to impossible, while they sit idly by and let illegal prescription medication, alcohol, and tobacco kill literally hundreds of thousands of people each and every year.

Secondly, as we were also advised:

“I realize you are selling only plant products, but you should still follow the research chemical cases found at:

http://w w w.dea.gov/pubs/pressrel/pr072204.html

These give some insight into how the DEA is concerned about addressing the ‘gray areas’ of the controlled substance laws. The substances involved in these cases are not so clearly ‘illegal,’ but the Analogue Act was invoked to help prosecute these cases. Your company is completely different and distinct, but you really need to keep an eye on what the DEA is thinking to keep yourselves safe from any trouble.”

So, to be absolutely clear and to quell any rumors that may be circulating: This decision DIDN’T come in response to any kind of trouble that we found ourselves or anyone else in, and it DIDN’T come because of some direct action the government has suddenly taken. It was simply a decision to give all of us here at IAmShaman, as well as our customers, complete peace of mind. We have always gone out of our way to remain completely legal, consulting with people like Glen Richard Boire of the CCLE, as well as our own highly-skilled legal team, who specialize in both DEA and FDA matters. We have set up our business within the parameters of the law, all the way down to having the proper posters displayed in our shop…we are probably more legal than many other businesses that operate, period!

This way, we can assure ourselves and every one of our customers, that we are operating within the exact parameters of the law, and that we will not be unfairly prosecuted at some time in the future for offering any plants that may have moved onto the radar screens of the DEA or become their new crusade, while they continue to ignore the real problems that face us and our youth. Ultimately, our customers come first, and though we will make less money each month as a result, it will assure our freedom to offer all the other beautiful, high quality plants and products that we have offered for so little for a long time to come.

Finally, you are NOT breaking ANY laws by ordering ANY products from our site, you are NOT a criminal because you want to possess, research, or grow beautiful plants and flowers with sacred histories, you won't be "tracked down" for doing something COMPLETELY legal (no one has ever been arrested for ordering legal herbal products on the web). Just because the FDA hasn't approved all herbs such as Yohimbe Bark, Kava Kava, Calea Zacatechichi and others, does not mean that they haven't been used safely for thousands of years by indigenous and foreign cultures. The products on our sites have harmed ZERO people, but tobacco, alcohol, and prescription medication claim hundreds of thousands of lives every year. So, please know your rights, and exercise your cognitive liberties without fear, before you are bullied into giving them up against your wishes.

We will keep you posted right here if we decide to change our minds and carry our Mimosa and P. Viridis products again. Countless other sites still offer these products, as they have for years, but we prefer to keep our customers completely safe from any prying eyes, especially with the enactment of the Patriot Act, the Rave Act, the impending Patriot Act II, as well as the widening Drug War that is taking hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars from us each and every hour of the day…know how your rights are being taken from you, and please exercise your right to vote this year on November 2nd of 2004.

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Edited by theocean06 (11/02/04 04:27 PM)

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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: theocean06]
    #3310241 - 11/02/04 04:12 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

cool thanks...but can you edit the direct dea url?

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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: Vvellum]
    #3310324 - 11/02/04 04:29 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Sorry about that :blush:

Forgot all about the DEA link in the article :doh:


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: theocean06]
    #3313062 - 11/03/04 06:52 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Not registered at aya forum, and found nothing on dmtworld.

Seems something was really up...  :thumbdown:

I guess in the near future the only solution to experiment with these and possibly other entheogens will be to home grow the plants for personal use.
I would advise anyone who's interested in them to search for live plants/seeds while they're still relatively easy to get. Just in case shit happens sooner than expected.

BTW, the DEA URL has nothing.

Thank for finding that, theocean06 :smile:

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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: esin]
    #3320470 - 11/04/04 03:36 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

It really sucks how the govt under that jerk bush has made everything illegal. Look for a lot more of this in the future.

I'm glad I've got my own psychotria viridis bushes so any time I want some I just go out and clip a few leaves. I happen to have some p.v. berries right now that are ripe. Ripe berries should be used right away because they will not sprout after they get a few months old. If anyone wants to swap for some berries let me know. My bushes should be bearing for the next week or so.


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3325871 - 11/05/04 07:25 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

If you're unable or uncertain if you should obtain MHRB, why not purchase one of those frogs... Colorado something frogs.. This way you have a living source of DMT for many years to come, with no question from authority.


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: distortion]
    #3327113 - 11/06/04 09:01 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

*5-meo-DMT


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: gdman]
    #3327718 - 11/06/04 01:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yeah, I think the toads produce 5-meo-DMT. Good stuff, don't get me wrong, but I prefer good old DynaMiTe. You gotta go to the plants for that one...or find a way to extract it from your brain.


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: gdman]
    #3331562 - 11/07/04 10:11 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I thought those frogs were called "Bufo" frogs because they contained "bufotain"(sp) which is the "bad" substance that is in some of the DMT containing plants...? I have been wrong before, but this is what is popping out of my mind right now....

After first finding this thread, I purchased a small supply of MHRB just in case it is banned or made illegal.... With the way things are going with the new laws against any and all conscious altering substances, I would not be surprised at all if all of the ethno shops are forced out of buisness in the future.... I really just don't understand why the government is taking such a hard stance on all of this stuff...!? Some people seem to be sooooo close minded about things that they just don't understand, and they FORCE their closemindedness on EVERYONE.... It is sad.... Unfortunately, I think the RC bust was just the start of the mudslide....

Lifenergy, I think the DMT extraction from your brain might actually work...! I am thinking acid extraction might work the best, now I just need to find some good acid to start my experiment...!! LoL

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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: PhanTomCat]
    #3332075 - 11/08/04 02:07 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yep mostly bufotenin (5-HO-DMT) with small amounts of N,N and 5-MeO.

Bufotenin is not necessarily bad, judging on the amount of people who have been snorting and smoking yopo/cebil.

I find it a bit unethical to keep a frog and torture it for drugs, though...

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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: esin]
    #3332200 - 11/08/04 03:48 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Then breed em and kill em....
same thing as plants, just a bit more croaking. :wink:


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Re: What's up with MHRB? [Re: esin]
    #3332216 - 11/08/04 04:06 AM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>> I heard rumours of some pressure for MHRB to be removed from shelves.

there are still many suppliers.. simply google "mimosa hostilis"...and the court case that intimidated IMS wasnt even about MHRB either...but this raises other issues.. for example..another DMT source..desmanthus illinoensis is widespread throughout the US...if there happens to be some growing on your property..then will you be charged with a crime??...


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