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society and sex
    #3303589 - 11/01/04 05:28 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Now, I'm gonna go ahead and assume most people here would not be against prostitution. You'd probably agree that you should be able to do what the hell you want with your own body as long as it doesn't harm anyone else. But you probably think of "pimps" as low life pieces of shit; filthy heathens. But then again there is a good chance you think of "prostitutes" the same way, but most likely not to the same degree.

Your average American thinks of "prostitutes" as junkies, and "pimps" as violent animals. And in many cases this is true. But I'd like to see your personal opinion on the matter of sex for money and particularly about the people that are involved in doing so. Discuss.


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Re: society and sex [Re: Anonymous]
    #3303660 - 11/01/04 06:06 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Personally, I think spreading diseases and virii at an exponential rate is a bad practice.


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Re: society and sex [Re: psyka]
    #3303670 - 11/01/04 06:32 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i think its all their own decision just the same as with the people that use them.
but there is also other forms of prostitutes, as giving up something of yours to gain something else, like giving up a happy job for a shit job that pays a shit load of money.
is there really a difference in morality of prostitutes on all levels??


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Re: society and sex [Re: spudamore]
    #3303680 - 11/01/04 06:50 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

regaurdless of wether or not its legal, i dont want anything to do with it.

whats that tell u about law?


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Re: society and sex [Re: BleaK]
    #3303712 - 11/01/04 07:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

met a prostitute once, she just made me sad.

my grandmother was a prostitute before i was born, and when i got older she started doing it again, i dont remember how old i was, but i couldnt have been over 11.

i do think that people can do whatever they want with their bodies, but i have seen it as being a very destructive behavior. and i cant imagine it being otherwise.

moral prostitutes, are more of the same, people engaging in destructive behavior.

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Re: society and sex [Re: Todcasil]
    #3304009 - 11/01/04 10:25 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm against prostitution. I dehumanizes people, and causes people to lose respect for themselves. I'm especially tired of this nonsense: "Oh well it's the world's oldest profession: you can't argue with that!" That is just a pile of ignorant garbage spewed out by self-absorbed, clueless sex-liberalists.

Like drug abuse, I think prostitution needs to be treated like a public health issue and not a criminal justice issue.


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Re: society and sex [Re: Ped]
    #3304015 - 11/01/04 10:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

what do you care what people choose to do with themselves?


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Re: society and sex [Re: Anonymous]
    #3304048 - 11/01/04 10:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"Selling is legal.
Fucking is legal.
Why isn't selling fucking legal?
Why is it illegal to charge for something that you can legally give away for free?"
-George Carlin

Prostitution is cool. You can trust a prostitute with things you can't trust a girlfriend with. You can trust a prostitute not to make empty fucking promises. You can trust a prostitute not to project the illusion that yours and her relationship is something that it isn't. You can trust a prostitute to actually give you something for your money.

The only difference between dating and prostitution is that with the latter you are garunteed sex and with the former its a gamble.

Most women are just prostitutes with their clothes on. They don't sell sex, they sell the possibility of sex.

Most women dont like prostitutes because they take away women's power. Why am I gonna spend money to go on a date with some chick and listen to her boring ass conversation when I can rent a bitch that looks like Britney Spears for the low low price of $200/hour?

Women like to make men jump through hoops for sex. Prostitutes provide a means for men to get sex for a straightforward barter, and this pisses women off because it undermines their social power.

As far as pimps go....

most people don't realize that prostitutes need pimps to protect them from Johns. Sure, there have been some abusive pimp/prostitute relations in the past and present, but the same thing could be said for the father/son relationship. Pimps can abuse their power sometimes, and this is wrong, but their overall function is necessary.


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Re: society and sex [Re: Anonymous]
    #3304076 - 11/01/04 10:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't see a difference between someone having a lot of sexual partners, and someone having a lot of sexual partners and getting paid for it. The second person seems smarter to me.

I also don't see how any illegality could possibly be applied to prostitution without also outlawing polyamory without money involved. Somehow the money involved makes it 'immoral,' which is completely illogical. By that standard you could outlaw people who provide any other service for money, too.


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Re: society and sex [Re: ]
    #3304205 - 11/01/04 11:51 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not about to tell somebody that what they are doing is evil and wrong. If you want to go out and fuck for cash then go for it. Its just sad when people who don't want to be prostitutes are forced to because of the conditions, and lack of other jobs where they live.


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Re: society and sex [Re: Anonymous]
    #3304229 - 11/01/04 12:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Legalized prostitution would mean having professional brothels with higher business standards. In Nevada, they require condoms and have prostitutes tested for STD's once a month. I'm pretty sure the same rules apply in the Netherlands(and I think Germany as well).

Anyway, legality aside, I don't think there's anything wrong with prostitution in itself, though it does run the risk of spreading STD's, especially when it's illegal. In ancient Greek society, prostitutes actually enjoyed a higher social status than most women. In today's society, you can notice a hierarchy of prostitution. The lowest are the crack-addicted street prostitutes. Then there's call girls above them. Then in Nevada, they have brothels with beautiful prostitutes, some of which have become considerably famous. Then at the highest level are porn stars(think about it: it's basically just prostitution combined with shitty acting).

In any case, I don't see anything wrong with selling sex any more than any other service. I think their service can be very valuable and meaningful. A friend of mine knows this homeless guy who's a 30-year-old virgin. It's plainly obvious he's not going to get laid for free, so I once suggested pitching in to buy him a hooker. We decided against it, but it does hilight for me the importance of prostitutes in society. Some guys can't get laid any other way. Other guys can, but may be having a dry spell and need a boost of confidence.

Now, one thing that does bother me somewhat about prostitution is that most of their customers tend to be married men. They choose to sleep with prostitutes instead of having affairs because a prostitute isn't going to get jealous and call up their wife. Now, I deplore infidelity, but considering that I can't stop people from cheating on their spouses, I'd prefer they do it with a clean prostitute rather than bringing another woman into a love triangle, with all the heartache and pain that brings.

As for pimps, all I can say is I like the way they dress.


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Re: society and sex [Re: silversoul7]
    #3304452 - 11/01/04 01:36 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"Sure, there have been some abusive pimp/prostitute relations in the past and present, but the same thing could be said for the father/son relationship. Pimps can abuse their power sometimes, and this is wrong, but their overall function is necessary."

Pimpin ain't easy but somebody has to do it.


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Re: society and sex [Re: tomk]
    #3304677 - 11/01/04 02:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

as long as a need exists, some buisness will arive to fill it. after food and water and air, the most prevalent need is sex. prostitution has been around since the dawn of humanity, and it will exist until we are all chemically neuterd or dead. Is it ethical? yes its ethical WHEN the prostitute has freedom of choice. This is achieved only in societies where prostitution is a legal , protected industry., anywhere else and it tends to be a hideous sould destroying form of slavery where pimps enslave the prostitutes by getting them addicted to drugs, or physically and psychologically intimidating them, or some form of extortion.


wathc the documentary 'american pimp' its hilarious and fascinating
also, sex that is bought is satisfying only on a physical level (unless you get your kicks FROM degradation and domination of females which is hugely prevalent in moder society) it will never be meaningfull or enjoyable liek consensual sex can be. (consensual as in not motivated by economic need)


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Re: society and sex [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3306355 - 11/01/04 09:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"also, sex that is bought is satisfying only on a physical level (unless you get your kicks FROM degradation and domination of females which is hugely prevalent in moder society) it will never be meaningfull or enjoyable liek consensual sex can be. (consensual as in not motivated by economic need) "


Do you understand that it's only degradation and domination because YOU believe it to be so?


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Re: society and sex [Re: Ped]
    #3307005 - 11/01/04 11:38 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Ped said:
I'm against prostitution. I dehumanizes people, and causes people to lose respect for themselves.



Nothing makes people lose respect for themselves other than their own free will. I must say I'm curious as to why you think it "dehumanizes" people.

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I'm especially tired of this nonsense: "Oh well it's the world's oldest profession: you can't argue with that!" That is just a pile of ignorant garbage spewed out by self-absorbed, clueless sex-liberalists.



And I'm especially tired with the garbage about how the sex industry degrades women, dehumanizes people, etc. Prostitutes are there by their own free will(unless they're forced into sexual slavery, which is another matter entirely). If they felt it was too degrading, they wouldn't do it. They obviously don't have any problems with having sex with men for a living, so who am I to judge? I think the only real degrading thing about it is the stigma which our culture's moralists have put on it. It's mind-boggling how people can think they're standing up for women's rights by putting down women who choose to work in the sex industry. They're the ones degrading them, not the customers.

I'm also tired of the attitude that sex with no strings attached is somehow less moral than it is with someone you love. Sometimes a man longs for the intimacy of a woman's touch, and in some cases will be willing to pay for it. While I've never been with a prostitute, I'd bet that it can feel fulfilling and boost your confidence, as that's how I usually tend to feel after having sex, regardless of whether or not I'm in love with that person.


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Re: society and sex [Re: silversoul7]
    #3307670 - 11/02/04 03:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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you can notice a hierarchy of prostitution. The lowest are the crack-addicted street prostitutes. Then there's call girls above them. Then in Nevada, they have brothels with beautiful prostitutes, some of which have become considerably famous. Then at the highest level are porn stars(think about it: it's basically just prostitution combined with shitty acting).



wrong buddy. some of those hoes make commercials and show up in ads and shit...i'd say 80% of them are buck toothed, cock eyed hoes.

your opinion of a hoe hierarchy is a little wrong...


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Re: society and sex [Re: felix]
    #3308231 - 11/02/04 10:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What an interesting thread.

When most people talk about prostitutes they think of the street walkers. Most of whom have more problems than I could go into. From heavy drug addictions to disease to mental problems.
No one ever thinks about the high end prostitutes and madams. Yes they exist and it some times amazes me how the high end of the profession works.

From experience (I know a few, not from obtaining service from them but more as friends and customers to my business)

When I am talking high end I am speaking of the $1500 to $3000 a night prostitute.
Most agencies provide medical coverage, have mandatory monthly STD screening, Have a no tolerance policy to unprotected sex and intravenous drug use, and above and beyond all else maintain the privacy of there clientele.
Most of the ladies do not feel dehumanized or demoralized and make good money at it.

I have not problem with the profession as a whole and believe it should be legalized.


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Re: society and sex [Re: Cyber]
    #3308289 - 11/02/04 10:35 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Excellent posts so far.
Most things have been said.
I think the bad things about prostitution don't come from prostitution itself, but, as so often, from the context.
The free will is a keypart to this.
The two bad parts are, if women are forced(1) somehow in an illegal(2) situation.
There are many reasons for each part, which bring very negative aspects with it.

The moral part should do every indivisuum involved for itself.
But I can tell you, there are so so many hores outside, who don't label themselfes and you don't know how fast your money dissolves and at the end you and your love everytime get repelled :grin:


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Re: society and sex [Re: Anonymous]
    #3315877 - 11/03/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Around here, there are not really many "street walkers" or whatever. It's more of a party setting. Some chick might fuck with a bunch of guys and break their pockets, but have one guy that she gives money to. So he's essentially a pimp. Is that guy morally wrong? Many of you have seen the same thing going on. It's no different than your stereotypical example of "pimps" and "hoes" though.


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Re: society and sex [Re: felix]
    #3316828 - 11/03/04 10:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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silversoul7 said:
you can notice a hierarchy of prostitution.  The lowest are the crack-addicted street prostitutes.  Then there's call girls above them.  Then in Nevada, they have brothels with beautiful prostitutes, some of which have become considerably famous.  Then at the highest level are porn stars(think about it: it's basically just prostitution combined with shitty acting).



wrong buddy.  some of those hoes make commercials and show up in ads and shit...i'd say 80% of them are buck toothed, cock eyed hoes.

your opinion of a hoe hierarchy is a little wrong...





Well have you ever been friends with whores? Or payed for one??

I have done both several times and in a few different cities. Including Vegas and the mustang ranch. I have a very good friend who is a whore, a very beautiful and clean whore.

I very much disagree with you on this. Your speaking from your opinion. I think??

I have seen all levels of whores. And yes there are many different types and qualities. My freind, we'll call her Sandy, is very wealthy. She has one of Detroit's largest Call girl services.The girls she has working for her are HOT HOT HOT. Man so clean and young and HOT :crazy2:

Anyway Whores are always going to be around and on many levels :grin:


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