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1st Bardo: Leary critique
    #3300805 - 10/31/04 12:12 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I recently re-read Leary's "The Psychedelic Experience" --
a brilliant piece of writing -- but I have some criticisms

Leary says: the non-ego state is preferable and that's
where we should go and stay as long as possible.
I don't want to impose a "moral order" on the levels of the trip -
I say: go where you want to go - back and forth -- ( if you can)
Leary says: go beyond the "game" level.
but isn't his "book of the Dead" framework just another game?

maybe higher dosages "force" the non-ego state -
what I would call: "full trance mode"
have't yet seen Leary's
Clear White Light - maybe if I did 1000 mics of pure Sandoz LSD...?

mushrooms are a marvelous psychological tool -
paranoia is foolish and unnecessary -
relax surrender enjoy explore






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Re: 1st Bardo: Leary critique [Re: sillyCyban2]
    #3300899 - 10/31/04 02:27 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I am happy you read Leary's book.

Language is always a hurdle when it comes to talking about tripping.

I do think the white light Leary speaks of is literal... but I don't think a small-medium sized mushroom dose is enough for you to see it. He did have access to LOTS of LSD at the time. Leary also calls the light "Center"... which may be a better way to think of it. Ie: "Move to center," instead of, "Go towards the light."

With an average dose of shrooms, the light is more of a metaphore.

Also, keep this in mind: Most of what is said about the Bardos is translated from an ancient Tibettan text about enlightenment (Rather than Leary's own ideas). I'm sure some things were lost in translation. I wish I could read the original.

Leary just found the similarities between Zen Buddhist enlightenment and tripping uncanny.


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Re: 1st Bardo: Leary critique [Re: Rose]
    #3315839 - 11/03/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

tripping is a temporary peak through a crack in the door enlightenment is stepping though the door permanently.


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Re: 1st Bardo: Leary critique [Re: kbilly]
    #3315910 - 11/03/04 06:39 PM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I like that.


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Re: 1st Bardo: Leary critique [Re: Rose]
    #3515850 - 12/18/04 02:23 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It is another game yes, but so is this one, where I type at the computer and try to say things to other people over this internet. Add in the element of you recieving and replying to my reply to you... Whew what a fun game.

Leary did the best he could. The Tibetan text is about rebirth experiences as he explains in the introduction. Not exactly but very similar to psychedelic trips, so similar that Leary adapted it.

The clear white light is for those who recognize it. No amount of dosage can do it for you. Everything has to be right for you to see to the center of the Universe. Yes, you may need lots of LSD or Mushrooms, but you also have to have to right set and setting. The Universe must be in correct alignment. The Cosmic Joke is kinda funny, kinda scary and really perfect.


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Re: 1st Bardo: Leary critique [Re: mecreateme]
    #3516286 - 12/18/04 05:38 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

it's not a dose thing
it's about releasing the defensive armour thing
it's about letting go in every direction.
and not making an ego game out of it.


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Re: 1st Bardo: Leary critique [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3517458 - 12/18/04 05:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah, what I meant to say.
A large dose of mushrooms or LSD can really help out, but only when the situation is truly perfect can you give yourself away to the all.
:smile:
Then it all doesn't matter. YOU will know and you will know THOSE that know. I think the manual is very helpful in reaching the ultimate point, cosmic consciousness, awakening, various other names. :crazy2:


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Re: 1st Bardo: Leary critique [Re: mecreateme]
    #3519462 - 12/19/04 04:21 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

I saw the light on 1.5 g of dried cubensis... you don't need a LARGE dose, but it can help.


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