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Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says
    #3299513 - 10/31/04 01:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin_laden_tape_a_fake_swiss_lab_says.htm (copied directly from the star, which requires registration to view articles)

Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says
Scientists compared recording to 20 other tapes of terror chief


PARIS (AP) - The latest audiotape statement attributed to accused terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden is not authentic, a Swiss research institute said.

The Lausanne-based Dalle Molle Institute for Perceptual Artificial Intelligence said it is 95-per-cent certain the tape does not feature the voice of the long-absent terrorist leader.

The review of the tape was commissioned by France-2 television and its findings were presented by the institute's Professor Herve Boulard in a special TV report shown late Thursday.

He said the institute compared the voice on the tape, first aired two weeks ago on Al-Jazeera, an Arabic television network, with some 20 earlier recordings of bin laden.

U.S. experts maintain the tape will likely never be fully authenticated because its poor quality defies complete analysis by even the most sophisticated voice-print technology.

But U.S. experts who have heard it generally support the conclusion by U.S. law-enforcement officials that it probably is bin Laden speaking.

In the tape, the speaker refers to recent terrorist strikes U.S. officials believe are connected to bin Laden's Al Qaeda network. If fully verified, it would provide the first evidence in a year that bin Laden survived U.S. bombing in Afghanistan.


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Re: Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says [Re: ekomstop]
    #3299528 - 10/31/04 01:42 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Swiss research? That's not their job, firstly. Secondly, why does virtually every intelligence angency believe it to be authentic?


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Re: Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3299580 - 10/31/04 01:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Swiss research? That's not their job, firstly.




well I don't see why we shouldn't commend them anyway for taking that important initiative and investigating the matter..

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Secondly, why does virtually every intelligence angency believe it to be authentic?




Perhaps because key elements inside these agencies are synonymous with the corruption linked to the administration?

Of course this may all be simple speculation on my part..

Who knows, maybe the swiss study will somehow turn out to be inconclusive


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Re: Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says [Re: ekomstop]
    #3299624 - 10/31/04 01:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

another lil' tidbit..

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash7.htm
CRONKITE: KARL ROVE BEHIND BIN LADEN TAPE?
Sat Oct 30 2004 16:31:19 ET

Former CBSNEWS anchorman Walter Cronkite believes Bush adviser Karl Rove is possibly behind the new Bin Laden tape.

Cronkite made the startling comments late Friday during an interview on CNN.

Somewhat smiling, Cronkite said he is "inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing."

Interviewer Larry King did not ask Cronkite to elaborate on the provocative election eve observation.

Developing...


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Re: Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says [Re: ekomstop]
    #3299661 - 10/31/04 01:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

well if one would like to, they can compare the intelligence to supposed avowed enemies of the Republican Party, like France?

This tape is real. It's right there on video, bin Laden, sitting there, lecturing and wagging his right pointing finger.

Just because he doesn't have a gun this time doesn't mean its fake.


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Re: Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says [Re: ekomstop]
    #3299747 - 10/31/04 01:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It sure looked like Bin Laden


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Re: Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says [Re: ekomstop]
    #3299758 - 10/31/04 01:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm not sure about the authenticity, but two things are glaringly suspicious about the tape:

1) The Left-leaning, Bush-bashing message that's already been discussed on this forum. It's very odd post-factum commentary, especially coming more than 3 years after the 9/11/01 events.

2) The timing of the release of the tape. Instead of Bin Laden being captured as an October Surprise we have the pleasant surprise that he's still alive. Interesting twist and the opposite of what most people expected.

EDIT: Well this is how I see it. I'm pretty sure this is a "just-in-case" set-up to add momentum to Kerry's upcoming win of the election. It's like a double-whammy Bush-bashing. Not only does Bin Laden mock George W Bush, but the fact that Bin Laden is still alive adds to the mockery. This sends a subconscious thought to all the would-be voters watching their news channel of choice: "The war in Iraq is failing miserably. Terrorists are still plotting to attack Americans and you still aren't safe. And Bin Laden is still alive! Obviously Bush is horrible president. Vote Kerry!" The timing of the tape was executed perfectly, by whoever conjured it up. Credit is due there. But any subtlety hoped for is non-existant. The subconscious message of the tape is very clear to the unthinking masses.


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Re: Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says [Re: Worf]
    #3299778 - 10/31/04 02:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Conspiracy Muslims who believe Jews did 9-11 are trying to disprove this video as well.


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    #3301142 - 10/31/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

More:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0410/29/lkl.01.html

Cronkite: Karl Rove Set Up Bin Laden Tape

Larry King Live

KING: OK, Walter. What do you make of this?

CRONKITE: Well, I make it out to be initially the reaction that it's a threat to us, that unless we make peace with him, in a sense, we can expect further attacks. He did not say that precisely, but it sounds like that when he says...

KING: The warning.

CRONKITE: What we just heard. So now the question is basically right now, how will this affect the election? And I have a feeling that it could tilt the election a bit. In fact, I'm a little inclined to think that Karl Rove, the political manager at the White House, who is a very clever man, he probably set up bin Laden to this thing. The advantage to the Republican side is to get rid of, as a principal subject of the campaigns right now, get rid of the whole problem of the al Qaqaa explosive dump. Right now, that, the last couple of days, has, I think, upset the Republican campaign.

KING: Now, bin Laden, of course, could help Bush in that it reminds people of a terror issue in which he runs strong. It also could hurt Bush in that reminds people he's still alive. So this could be a double edged sword, right?

CRONKITE: Indeed. Indeed. And the thing that in bringing this threat to us, there is almost, in the fact that he dressed well, that he looked well, he was clean shaven, nearly clean shaven as those folks get. It seemed almost, to me, that he wanted to enter into negotiations, that he was really up -- he wants to move into a leadership role in international affairs instead of the role of a brigand. And he spoke calmly about this thing. The threat was there, no question about it. He's delivering a warning to us, no question about that. And certainly, I don't think there's any reason to feel that we can take him to our bosom just because this speech at all. He's perfectly capable of blowing us up.



http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/october2004/291004binladenappears.htm (click here for links to the articles referenced below)

October Surprise Bin Laden Appears Right On Cue

Alex Jones and Paul Joseph Watson | October 29 2004

Osama bin Laden has appeared in a new videotape accepting responsibility for September 11 and providing the 'October surprise' needed for his business partner, George W. Bush, to gain re-election.

For over two years we have been highlighting the potential staged capture of bin Laden right before the election that the Neo-Cons would use as their trump card for four more years of empire abroad and police state at home.

FLASHBACK: Staged Capture of Bin Laden Coming Soon

Alex Jones has privately and publicly interviewed many CIA and intelligence agents who told him directly that bin Laden died of kidney failure shortly after 9/11.

We were careful in considering that this could be disinformation but public awareness of this plan and other high-level officials reiterating the same possibility caused the Globalists to back off a full-scale capture for the time-being, but this new video provides them with all the justification needed to fulfil the same agenda.

Anyone who cannot see the sheer audacity of this development, its staging and timing, is blind. This is an incredibly transparent stunt.

Recall the Cornell University study which confirmed that whenever a terror alert or a terror threat is issued, Bush's approval ratings show a significant jump.

FLASHBACK: Study: Terror Warnings Up Approval Ratings

We have an entire archive of mainstream news articles in which terror tapes, alerts and arrests are staged or manufactured at politically expedient times.

Fake Terror Alerts Archive

A tape in which bin Laden appeared in September of 2003 was studied by experts and found to be compilations of old tapes.

FLASHBACK: Bin Laden video is compilation of repeats, says expert

The Bush administration have played down the importance of bin Laden for two years, with Bush himself even saying he wasn't worried about him.

FLASHBACK: Bush not worried about bin Laden

Now four days before the election and on the heels of a white man with a US accent acting as a 'vote for us or die' spokesman for the Bush administration, Osama enters the stage.

RELATED: The Administration?s Newest Spokesman?

This is not the first time bin Laden has popped up at the most opportune moment.

During the build up to the war in Iraq, attempts were made to link bin Laden with Saddam Hussein. There was no evidence to support this assertion and yet bin Laden appeared in a video to tell the world that he and Saddam had the same agenda. Colin Powell seemingly knew about the tape before its public existence. Powell pointed to the tape as evidence of the connection and yet when journalists pointed out that no such tape existed, Powell said the tape would soon be airing on Al-Jazeera.

Low and behold the tape was broadcast only hours later.

FLASHBACK: 'Bin Laden tape to show Iraq link'

FLASHBACK: Another dubious ?Bin Laden tape? comes when the US needed it the most

In the tape released this evening, bin Laden takes full responsibility for 9/11 for the first time, according to the Associated Press.

The first time? Weren't we told that bin Laden accepted responsibility for 9/11 in a tape released in December of 2001? That tape has been flushed down the memory hole. Why? Because the tape showed a fat guy that didn't even look like bin Laden and the government later had to back away from its authenticity, it was an obvious staged fraud.

FLASHBACK: The Fake bin Laden Video Tape

Furthermore, bin Laden heaps praise on the so-called ringleader of 9/11, Mohammed Atta, saying that he only had 20 minutes to carry out the attack.

Did Mohammed Atta get NORAD to stand down on the morning of 9/11?

Was Mohammed Atta running the wargames which confused NORAD personnel into non-action on 9/11?

Did Mohammed Atta warn Pentagon officials not to fly on the morning of 9/11?

Did Mohammed Atta warn Mayor Willie Brown not to fly on the morning of 9/11?

Was Mohammed Atta responsible for a 1962 Joint Chiefs of Staff plan to conduct terrorist attacks in US cities to be blamed on a foreign enemy as a pretext for war?

Was Mohammed Atta (after a heavy night's drinking in a strip club the night before) solely responsible for the hundreds and hundreds of examples of prior knowledge and government involvement that are archived on this website?

9/11 Prior Knowledge/Government Involvement archive

Bin Laden also highlights Bush's non-reaction to 9/11 as it unfolded, pointing out that his reading of the pet goat story gave the terrorists more time to pull off the attack. This is a blatant ploy to tarnish anyone else who questions what happened on 9/11 with the same brush. You said the same thing as bin Laden! You must be with bin Laden! You're a terrorist!

If bin Laden is truely alive and working indpendently against George Bush, then he would know that releasing this tape would only fire up Bush's base of support and any undecided voters. It makes no sense that bin Laden would do this unless he is working directly for them or this is a manufactured tape.

The WhatReallyHappened website has already put out a blurb questioning if the image of bin Laden in the new tape even looks like the real bin Laden.

The Latest Bin Laden Video Tape Is A Fraud

For anyone who has been living under a rock for over 20 years, bin Laden has been a committed CIA employee from the very start. In the spring of 186, he met with high level US government officials at the Hilton Hotel in Sherman Oaks California, under the pseudonym 'Tim Osman'.

FLASHBACK: When Osama Bin Ladin Was Tim Osman

FLASHBACK: Osama Bin Laden Alias Document

As recently at July 2001, bin Laden was meeting with CIA officials.

FLASHBACK: CIA 'met Bin Laden in July'

Make no mistake, this is the October surprise we were all waiting for. Bin Laden's scripted comeback beats that of even the Red Sox. In one way we can count our blessings that it wasn't a terror attack, but this is the military grade propaganda which Bush will ride all the way to re-election on Tuesday night.

RELATED ARTICLES

To view the bin Laden video, click here.

Bin Laden video transcript

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Bin Laden Says He Ordered 9/11 Attacks

Associated Press

CAIRO, Egypt (AP) - Osama bin Laden, addressing the American public four days ahead of presidential elections, said in a video aired Friday that the United States can avoid another Sept. 11 attack if it stops threatening the security of Muslims.

Reading a statement, the al-Qaida leader refrained from threats of new attacks and instead appealed to Americans.

"Your security is not in the hands of Kerry, Bush or al-Qaida. Your security is in your own hands," bin Laden said, referring to the president and his Democratic opponent. "Each state that does not mess with our security, has naturally guaranteed its own security."

Admitting for the first time that he ordered the Sept. 11 attacks, bin Laden said he did so because of injustices against the Lebanese and Palestinians by Israel and the United States.

It was the first footage in more than a year of the fugitive al-Qaida leader, thought to be hiding in the mountains along the Pakistan-Afghanistan border. The video, broadcast on Al-Jazeera television, showed bin Laden with a long gray beard, wearing traditional white robes, a turban and a golden cloak, standing behind a table with papers and in front of a plain, brown curtain.

He gestured and his hands were steady as he spoke.

The FBI and Justice Department had no immediate assessment of the tape. Officials said one part of their analysis will be to discern whether there may be hidden messages or clues about a possible future attack against the United States. But they said it was too early to know that yet.

Al-Jazeera said it broadcast one minute of the five-minute tape. There was no way to determine when the tape was made - but it offered evidence that bin Laden was alive and actively following events. Sen. John Kerry emerged as the Democratic candidate in the spring.

Bin Laden said he wanted to explain why he ordered the suicide airline hijackings that hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon so Americans would know how to avoid "another disaster."

"To the U.S. people, my talk is to you about the best way to avoid another disaster," he said. "I tell you: security is an important element of human life and free people do not give up their security."

He accused President Bush of misleading Americans by saying the attack was carried out because al-Qaida "hates freedom." Bin Laden said his followers have left alone countries that do not threaten Muslims.

"We fought you because we are free .... and want to regain freedom for our nation. As you undermine our security we undermine yours," he said.

He said he was first inspired to attack the United States by the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon in which towers and buildings in Beirut were destroyed in the siege of the capital.

"While I was looking at these destroyed towers in Lebanon, it sparked in my mind that the tyrant should be punished with the same and that we should destroy towers in America, so that it tastes what we taste and would be deterred from killing our children and women," he said.

"God knows that it had not occurred to our mind to attack the towers, but after our patience ran out and we saw the injustice and inflexibility of the American-Israeli alliance toward our people in Palestine and Lebanon, this came to my mind," he said.

Bin Laden suggested Bush was slow to react to the Sept. 11 attacks, giving the hijackers more time than they expected. At the time of the attacks, the president was listening to schoolchildren in Florida reading a book.

"It never occurred to us that the commander-in-chief of the American armed forces would leave 50,000 of his citizens in the two towers to face these horrors alone," he said, referring to the number of people who worked at the World Trade Center.

"It appeared to him (Bush) that a little girl's talk about her goat and its butting was more important than the planes and their butting of the skyscrapers. That gave us three times the required time to carry out the operations, thank God," he said.

In planning the attacks, bin Laden said he told Mohammed Atta, one of the hijackers, that the strikes had to be carried out "within 20 minutes before Bush and his administration noticed."

The image of bin Laden reading a statement was dramatically different from the few other videos of the al-Qaida leader that have emerged since the Sept. 11 attacks.

In the last videotape, issued Sept. 10, 2003, bin Laden is seen walking through rocky terrain with his top deputy Ayman al-Zawahri, both carrying automatic rifles. In a taped message issued at the same time, bin Laden praises the "great damage to the enemy" on Sept. 11 and mentions five hijackers by name.

In December 2001, the Pentagon released a videotape in which bin Laden is shown at a dinner with associates in Afghanistan on Nov. 9, 2001, saying the destruction of the Sept. 11 attacks exceeded even his "optimistic" calculations.

But in none of his previous messages, audio or video, did bin Laden directly state that he ordered the attacks.

U.S. authorities have long said they believe bin Laden is hiding in a rugged, mountainous tribal region of Pakistan that borders Afghanistan, but there has been no firm evidence of his whereabouts for three years.

The last audiotape purportedly from bin Laden came in April. The speaker on the tape, which CIA analysts said likely was the al-Qaida leader, offered a truce to European nations if they pull troops out of Muslim countries. The tape referred to the March 22 assassination by Israel of Hamas founder Sheik Ahmed Yassin.

Al-Zawahri, bin Laden's Egyptian deputy, has spoken on three recent audiotapes that emerged on June 11, Sept. 9 and Oct. 1 this year. In the latest, he called on young Muslims to strike the United States and its allies.

RELATED: Bush Admin says tape seems authentic


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    #3301197 - 10/31/04 04:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

this article refers to an audio tape from 2002, not the recent video.


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    #3301226 - 10/31/04 04:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Your right. As the Bush admins might say in respect to allowing the events on 9/11 to occur - Whoops!

Either way, the timing of the release of this tape is incredibly suspicious..quite an October suprise as was expected.


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    #3301251 - 10/31/04 04:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well this is how I see it. I'm pretty sure this is a "just-in-case" set-up to add momentum to Kerry's upcoming win of the election.

I think Osama is a little more sophisticated than that. Clearly he wants 4 more years for Bush. Without Bush killing thousands upon thousands of innocent muslims Bin Laden has nothing. Bush is the greatest recruter Bin laden could ever dream of.


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