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OfflineBioSore
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Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions
    #3298670 - 10/30/04 09:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hi, I'm sorry for posting this noob-tastic post, but I am approaching a very vital in my casing's life and I didn't want to do it incorrectly. I have recently finished the end of my very poor first flush and am needing help finding out what to do. I just picked the last of my shrooms, measured the pH at 5, and now am wondering what I do. I didn't deal with the pH before -- ever -- so I think that's to blame for the poor flush. Anyways, do you guys suggest I very lightly sprinkle lime over the casing, and then spray to hell? I heard from a friend to use perhaps a 1/10 H2O2 solution (would that just be a 10% solution?) when spraying the hell out of it? Also, I've heard people saying to put H2O2 into their terrarium to keep from getting it contam'd. Would you say the best idea is to poor a bottle of 3% into the terrarium's water supply every couple of weeks? Thanks.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3298747 - 10/30/04 10:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I spray 1/10 H202 in the terrarium, then dunk the casing (in the fridge) for 24 hours. Put it back in the terrarium. Next flush pins is usually in 3-7 days. I don't add too much H202... rarely actually. Just a good spray of 1/10 after each flush... and after 3 flushes I change the perlite.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3298766 - 10/30/04 10:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

A weak hydrated lime water spray has been used effectively in this circumstance. Next time do yourself a favor and do it right right off the bat :wink: GL


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #3298787 - 10/30/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok.. Just to clarify things, when you guys say a 1/10 H2O2 solution, are you guys meaning a 10% pure H2O2 or a 1/10 (3% H202)/Water solutioN? I just keep wondering this because 10% seems such a high concentration.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3298827 - 10/30/04 10:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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measured the pH at 5



Five is acidic.
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do you guys suggest I very lightly sprinkle lime over the casing



Since lime is acidic, you want an alkaline to help buffer the high acidity, some people use broken-up oyster shell.

You definately want to look into moistening up your casing if you hope to get more flushes. Dont worry about h202, I think your issue is water content.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3298830 - 10/30/04 10:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1/10 (3% H202)/Water solution is what is usually referred to. I've been using that almost exclusively since I started growing (recently), and haven't seen a single contam.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3298831 - 10/30/04 10:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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or a 1/10 (3% H202)/Water solutioN




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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: dmc_]
    #3298887 - 10/30/04 10:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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dmc_ said:
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measured the pH at 5



Five is acidic.
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do you guys suggest I very lightly sprinkle lime over the casing



Since lime is acidic, you want an alkaline to help buffer the high acidity, some people use broken-up oyster shell.

You definately want to look into moistening up your casing if you hope to get more flushes. Dont worry about h202, I think your issue is water content.



Where did you hear lime is acidic? Do a search and come back when you have the correct information please.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #3299098 - 10/30/04 11:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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hyphae said:
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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: dmc_]
    #3299108 - 10/30/04 11:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

-----Acids----------------Neutral--------------Bases-----------
<1----2----3----4---5---6---7---8----9---10---11---12---13----14>

Since lime raises the ph, it is considered a base.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: Amygdala]
    #3299119 - 10/30/04 11:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: dmc_]
    #3299674 - 10/31/04 01:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ok, thanks for the help guys. I just got back from the local grocery store and Saw (the movie -- a GREAT laugh!). I picked me up some edible lime and more H2O2 3%. I'll be putting the lime into the some water and spray it down, and then put the H2O2 into another and spray it the HELL down. I figure I should spray for a good 10 minutes or so to rejuvinate, aye? THen it's back into the incubator to patch what I should have done before. Wee.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3299784 - 10/31/04 02:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Always build up moisture through several spraying over time rather than one Always!!! This is very basic myco 101. Also make sure you don't use too much lime. Now why are you using H2O2 also you have contams your trying to knock down? That may be a bit much all at once, just remember you need to have a touch here meaning don't go hog wild! :wink: GL Spraying it down for ten minutes sounds very scary! Sure hope your kidding :crazy2:


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #3299886 - 10/31/04 02:30 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you spray to much you can have some parts of the casing dry while you have puddles sitting in others. Mist a little until it starts to glisten. Some areas will still remain partially dry. Wait a while and when you come back and can mist again without getting the other areas to wet and mist again. The dry areas will slowly fade away over a couple mistings and you shouldn't get any puddles building up. Not to mention when you mist you only mist the top of the casing..you need to give it a few minutes after a decent mist for the bottom of the layer to soak it in then come back and give it another decent mist. It also helps if you get one of them pump up plant misters..pump it up, flip the switch and fine mist..you can get right up and get certain areas of the casing more then others and give the whole thing a light mist.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3299926 - 10/31/04 02:55 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Erm, shit.... Yeah, well, I *MAY* have over done it.  Yeah... :frown:  Let's hope for the best.  It wasn't 10 minutes, but now it does seem scary enough.  It wasn't until I was done that I noticed that a spot that had myc before now had myc and quite a decent amount of water.  Well, good thing I put half an inch of verm in the bottom, least that'll soak in a bit of the water.

Edit: Also, the reason that I thought a lengthy amount of sprayings would work best is because I figured it was to be used the same was as dunking, only without the dunking and more spraying.  :smile:  Hopefully the lime works though, it was about 20 mists total, again we shall hope for the best.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3301777 - 10/31/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I patched the casing last night before I sprayed it with lime and a 1/10 h2o2/h2o mixture and I was wondering if I had the right idea of letting it incubate before I put it back in to pin. I just heard from another that I should put tinfoil over the top and keep the temp the same rather than raise the temp and put tinfoil over it, so no light either way. Any suggestions/comments on this?


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3303744 - 11/01/04 08:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

*BUMP* Sorry for bumping, I just need to know if I should change the temp or not try to incubate at all. Thanks.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3303767 - 11/01/04 08:10 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I case, cover and incubate (82-84F.) for a few days before triggering pinning. GL


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: hyphae]
    #3304942 - 11/01/04 03:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Ah, well, it's just that I'm doing this before the second flush, and now I'm thinking it may have been an idea to patch it while planning on incubating for a few days before pinning again. I was just wondering if you guys have any takes on it.


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Re: Casings: New Flushes and Other Questions [Re: BioSore]
    #3306230 - 11/01/04 08:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I patch any expose substrate after harvest and simply soak it down (near saturation) and let it sit in the fruiting chamber with 1 maybe 2 air exchanges a day and just let the myc digest some more substrate (do it's own thing) then in a few days without warning the next flush bolts! :laugh:


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