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Offlinedoo
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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Azure]
    #330068 - 05/31/01 04:55 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)
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Don't worry, I'm not gonna eat'em. I found these same mushrooms last year, and never got a positive ID then.
As for Mitch, I don't think he would tell me to eat'em if he wasn't pretty sure they weren't poisonous. They're definitely not Naematoloma fasciculare, I've found those damn things enough to know. That doesn't mean these aren't poisonous of course, although I think the chances are slim that they are. No matter, they're gonna stay right where they're at until I know more.
But truly, thanks for your concern.
Todcasil, I'm pretty sure they're not Pan. foen. The Pan. foen. grows in grassy areas, and these grow solely on wood chips, mulch,and sometimes on maple, oak and beech leaves.
As for the bluing aspect, from what I've heard about P. caerulipes (doesn't mean it's true of course), it doesn't always blue.I guess there's also a possibility they could be P.silvatica, which also doesn't always show a bluing reaction (I think). I know P. silvatica is sometimes found in the Northeast (New York), but isn't listed for the South, but you never know.
Even if they aren't magic, it's still fun looking at 'em.
I think I'm gonna post a couple more pics.

doo


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Edited by doo on 05/30/01 09:58 PM.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: doo]
    #330079 - 05/31/01 05:03 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)
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Okay, I promise, this is the last pic. I think it's this new camera. I just wish I had GG's steady hand. I'll get there eventually.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: doo]
    #330134 - 05/31/01 06:12 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for the great photos, doo:

I think you've got something in the pelliculosa/ silvatica species "complex," pretty sure genus is Psilocybe. Naematoloma dispersum are similar in shape & proportion but maybe a bit larger & not near so dark brown--more a yellowish tan. Some woodloving Psathryellas look similar, but lack a separable pellicle & usually have black spores.

Maybe a chemical test is in order--those are probably weakly psilocybian, if at all.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Woodsman]
    #330157 - 05/31/01 06:36 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Dude, those are surely psilocybes, I would eat em, dry them and send em over for a bio assay :)


Great pics doo!!! Don't forget to dry a few specimens of different sizes and send themin to be identified.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Lizard King]
    #330161 - 05/31/01 06:47 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Come to think of it, why has everyone neglected the possibility that these are indeed Ps. caerulipes?? They sure fit the description, correct? And they fit the general region alot better than pelliculosa or silvatica. I'm fairly sure those are Ps. caerulipes.


Here is the pic of P. caerulipes from stamets PMOTW.






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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: doo]
    #330172 - 05/31/01 06:57 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Man, I'm ready to bet the farm those are Ps. caerulipes! Everything fits. Gills are sordid brown at first becoming rusty cinnamon. Bluing reaction variable, more evident when drying, and may take several hours before it can be seen. Often has veil remnants along margin of pileus. Widely distributed east of the great plains. Found in woody decaying harwood debris along river banks. What else do you need?? Those are caerulipes.


Take a print and send it over doo, I'll pay for postage, I'd like to experiment. I'll PM you with an addy.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Lizard King]
    #330198 - 05/31/01 07:29 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

see what i mean? :) thats what i was sayin, those are surely psilocybes! ive never seen Neama.s (as i call whenim drinking like now) anything like that.

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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Lizard King]
    #330212 - 05/31/01 07:45 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

oh and todcasil
they cannot be"
"Panaeolus foenisecii" because it is actually called "paneolina
foenisecii" and aside from that, the habitat is way off and they look nothing like them. P. Foen, is arguably the most commonly encountered Lawn-variety LBM. and those dont look one little bit like them, the margin is wrong, the stipe is wrong, the substrate is wrong, the cap is wrong, the thick locally-ubundant patch is worng, yup, i would say those can only be psilocybes. really cant tell tho weather they are magic untill we get an expert oppinion or a confirmed dosage, and ias i mentioned, theres really nothing wrong with eating psilocybes. i can tell by looking at those and hearing the decs that those arent dangerous. i just havent personally encountered this particular speceis and cant make a Positive ID, but i can say that i beleive that they aren't dangerous based on youre standard elementary psychoactive-mushroom identification meathods. you see, our good hunting buddy here described this mushroom very well, most people who come on say stuff like "it had gills, felt rough, smelled and tasted shroomy, looks like this (insert URL of hopeful psychoactive mushroom photo)

this however (with pics no less) was described in a way that basically says "hey,. buddy, eat me!"
and personally, if i found this (as i said may not be the best idea) i would eat them, (after photo-documenting the find) to see if they were a psychoactive psilocybe and not just some dud speceis. im pretty certain that the mushroom in the picture is safe. thats my oppinion, but i STILL beleive MJ should throw in his 2 cents. if im wrong then maybe i shouldnt post anymore, but im pretty damn sure these were picked with insight towards whats good and whats not.

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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: doo]
    #330296 - 05/31/01 09:53 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Wait for mj's thoughts.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: doo]
    #330303 - 05/31/01 10:00 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

doo.. try to get more pics.. Close-Ups.. you should be able to get a lot closer detail..
Get a bunch as close up as you can get with good focus.
Close up on the caps, and Gills, and stems, you know..



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Lizard King]
    #330468 - 05/31/01 04:20 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Man, I have to agree with Ps. caerulipes! Those absolutely have to be Psilocybian! Naematolomas and Hypholomas just don't have that "magical" presence that these doo!
Wanna know something funny? I'm always going to different libraries and book stores looking for mushroom books and it seems that probably 10% of the books printed before 1980 list Ps. caerulipes as the only Psilocybe. It seems it was the only magic mushroom known commonly enough to list.
Then you've got this huge community of mushroom hunters here, and no one on the east coast seems to ever find them. So Lizard King has an awesome patch of Ps. Weilli, but what about Ps. caerulipes, Ps. semilanceata, Ps. pelliculosa, Ps. silvatica and others(maybe Ps. caerulescens) that do grow over there? Man, it would be really exciting to see some of those others. Doo, you've got a killer find there! If you haven't picked the entire patch, could you let afew get older and allow the caps to spread out? Maybe sprinkle alittle water over them to keep moisture enough to maintain the chestnut color? That would be awesome to see!
Also, GG's Pans and Copes are always killer, too!
I'm just excited, forgive me and Stay cool!-Levi7.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Levi7]
    #330550 - 05/31/01 07:10 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

boy was i wrong... hmm. i never said i was a GOOD hunter, hehe, just a hunter who relys on othert peoples ids so far. maybe one day ill be as good as... umm... somebody whos good at mycology.

anyways.. just putting my two cents in. peace

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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Todcasil]
    #330610 - 05/31/01 08:12 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

We could easily all be wrong, we are just giving our opinions throwing ideas around. I still can't ID very good, but I'm getting better. You gave it a guess, which is better than nothing, and it was a good guess. Start trying to identify every mushroom you pick, and before long you will start to pick up on the different characteristics of different genus.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Lizard King]
    #330663 - 05/31/01 09:20 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

i agree LK :) experience is the best way

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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Mitchnast]
    #330694 - 05/31/01 09:57 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

They are a naematoloma.

I'll dig up their name shortly.

mj

And GreatOne,
P. pelliculosa stains even less blue than the liberty caps do. One in a thousand tend to get some bluing in P. pelliculosa.

mj

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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #330802 - 06/01/01 12:28 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

This is madness, i think i am the only one with a correct id!! I have ID'd them as mushrooms right from the start man....hehe silly nuggets.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: mjshroomer]
    #330911 - 06/01/01 02:47 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

well ill be damned!

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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Mitchnast]
    #330956 - 06/01/01 03:33 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for taking a look Mj, I was hoping you'd check'em out. It's great to see you too,Lizard King,Woodsman,and Levi7.
I'm gonna have to go with cardboard's diagnosis. They're mushrooms. Not only are they mushrooms, but they're Little Brown Mushrooms.They definitely ain't Amanitas.
They look like the Naematoloma dispersum photo in Audubon, but they also look like Stamet's pic of Psilocybe caerulipes.
Since I've been at theShroomery, I've never known Mj to be wrong on a mushroom ID, so with respect to his knowledge and experience, I'm gonna lean more toward the chance these are Naematoloma's.
But l have to consider that when IDing a mushroom from a photo(which you've all had to try to do) there's always a chance of error.
So with that in mind, I'm gonna continue investigating these little buggars, until I can possibly come up with a definite answer.
BTW GG, I've tried to take closeup pics, but they always turn out blurry as hell. Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
I have truly appreciated everyone's input.

doo



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: doo]
    #330976 - 06/01/01 04:02 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Good choice, doo! MJ knows his stuff. They look magic to me, but still, even I wouldn't eat them until I knew for sure.
Stay cool and good to see you're out and about!-Levi7.



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Re: They're back,those purple-brown spored mushrooms [Re: Levi7]
    #335997 - 06/06/01 05:39 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

One more thing to add.-Naematoloma dispersum, the possible candidate here, grows from August-November in the Northwest and Rocky mountains. It's kinda funny that doo would find these in North Carolina in late May! Most other Naematolomas are yellow-orange in color, some with green gills. They all do have a purple-brown print, which gives to curiosity. Although these are not a spring mushroom. It would be like finding Ps. cyanescens in Texas in March-just won't happen! Stay cool!-Levi7.



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