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Is cereus peruvianus active?
    #3295490 - 10/29/04 11:31 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Is Cereus peruvianus an active cacti?
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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3295585 - 10/30/04 12:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Er, no. Cool flowers though.


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: faslimy]
    #3295595 - 10/30/04 12:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I didnt think so either. But are you guessing?


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3295606 - 10/30/04 12:08 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Depends what you mean by 'active'

Cereus is not ideal for human consumption but it probably has substances in it as a secondary deterrant for animals, as do most cacti. If it was suitable for humans you'd know about it.

I'm pretty sure there are quite a few Genus's with a peruvianus in them, the name was not given due to the alkaloids hehe


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: faslimy]
    #3295949 - 10/30/04 02:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

" If it was suitable for humans you'd know about it. "

they said that a hundred years ago too.  look how many plants they have found since.  i dont KNOW but i'll go with popular opinion  :tongue:


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3296005 - 10/30/04 02:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Good point, I'd also like to believe there's more out there still!


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3296128 - 10/30/04 03:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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they said that a hundred years ago too. look how many plants they have found since.





I wonder how many people died in the process of finding active plants vs. deadly plants?

There's no real reason to eat Cereus cacti. Not active.


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: Gumby]
    #3296162 - 10/30/04 04:11 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i agree, probably lots have died. still though, we have lots to learn.


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3296752 - 10/30/04 11:00 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

genus Cereus has no members with usable amounts of mescaline (there are some species with interesting cardiotonic alkaloids (e.g. Cereus grandiflorus)

genus Trichocereus has quite a few species within it, and maybe half of them can contain enough mescaline to make them useful to psychedelic enthusiasts...


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: gnrm23]
    #3298388 - 10/30/04 08:04 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

who said anything about mescaline? i was just thinking active...could be other things that could make people trip in some cacti we do not know about. im not saying they are, i doubt they (cereus) are. but cant deny the possibility.


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3299089 - 10/30/04 11:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

There even possibly be a nice drug/cure out there in some cacti, im sure you'd need to isolate out the alkaloids that make you sick.


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3300335 - 10/31/04 07:18 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I read somewhere maybe 3 years or so ago after obtaining one of these cacti, that they do infact contain some forms of potentially active alkaloids. Don't have any links now, but I'd say look in Shulgins direction, last I heard he was doing work on non-mescaline cacti alkaloids.


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3300949 - 10/31/04 02:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

there is no record that i've read of ancient use of this genus except for cardiotonic proprieties... (flowers used).


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: zee_werp]
    #3301685 - 10/31/04 06:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

>>ast I heard he was doing work on non-mescaline cacti alkaloids.
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Mostly cactus derived isoquinolines. He's been describing them more as anti-depressants.

I'd venture to guess that many an uninformed person has bought cereus peruvianus thinking it was Trichocereus peruvianus and cooked it up and ate it without asking anyone for an ID, i'd also bet they're probably still alive too. Most likely "i got this cactus and ate it and nothing happened, what's wrong?"


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: neuro]
    #3301742 - 10/31/04 07:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

people have posted here on the shroomery doing that EXACT thing :smirk: 

they still post...i think.


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3302338 - 10/31/04 09:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

way to be obvious about my attempt to be subversive in my comedy  :grin:


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Re: Is cereus peruvianus active? [Re: neuro]
    #3303193 - 11/01/04 02:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

lol.  me gets it...i miss a lot :rolleyes:


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