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NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device
    #3292019 - 10/29/04 01:34 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/29/bulge/index.html

NASA photo analyst: Bush wore a device during debate
Physicist says imaging techniques prove the president's bulge was not caused by wrinkled clothing.

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By Kevin Berger

Oct. 29, 2004 ?|?

George W. Bush tried to laugh off the bulge. "I don't know what that is," he said on "Good Morning America" on Wednesday, referring to the infamous protrusion beneath his jacket during the presidential debates. "I'm embarrassed to say it's a poorly tailored shirt."

Dr. Robert M. Nelson, however, was not laughing. He knew the president was not telling the truth. And Nelson is neither conspiracy theorist nor midnight blogger. He's a senior research scientist for NASA and for Caltech's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, and an international authority on image analysis. Currently he's engrossed in analyzing digital photos of Saturn's moon Titan, determining its shape, whether it contains craters or canyons.

For the past week, while at home, using his own computers, and off the clock at Caltech and NASA, Nelson has been analyzing images of the president's back during the debates. A professional physicist and photo analyst for more than 30 years, he speaks earnestly and thoughtfully about his subject. "I am willing to stake my scientific reputation to the statement that Bush was wearing something under his jacket during the debate," he says. "This is not about a bad suit. And there's no way the bulge can be described as a wrinkled shirt."

Nelson and a scientific colleague produced the photos from a videotape, recorded by the colleague, who has chosen to remain anonymous, of the first debate. The images provide the most vivid details yet of the bulge beneath the president's suit. Amateurs have certainly had their turn at examining the bulge, but no professional with a r?sum? as impressive as Nelson's has ventured into public with an informed opinion. In fact, no one to date has enhanced photos of Bush's jacket to this degree of precision, and revealed what appears to be some kind of mechanical device with a wire snaking up the president's shoulder toward his neck and down his back to his waist.

Nelson stresses that he's not certain what lies beneath the president's jacket. He offers, though, "that it could be some type of electronic device -- it's consistent with the appearance of an electronic device worn in that manner." The image of lines coursing up and down the president's back, Nelson adds, is "consistent with a wire or a tube."

Nelson used the computer software program Photoshop to enhance the texture in Bush's jacket. The process in no way alters the image but sharpens its edges and accents the creases and wrinkles. You've seen the process performed a hundred times on "CSI": pixelated images are magnified to reveal a clear definition of their shape.

Bruce Hapke, professor emeritus of planetary science in the department of geology and planetary science at the University of Pittsburgh, reviewed the Bush images employed by Nelson, whom he calls "a very highly respected scientist in his field." Hapke says Nelson's process of analyzing the images are the "exact same methods we use to analyze images taken by spacecraft of planetary surfaces. It does not introduce any artifacts into the picture in any way."

How can Nelson be certain there's some kind of mechanical device beneath Bush's jacket? It's all about light and shadows, he says. The angles at which the light in the studio hit Bush's jacket expose contours that fit no one's picture of human anatomy and wrinkled shirts. And Nelson compared the images to anatomy texts. He also experimented with wrinkling shirts in various configurations, wore them under his jacket under his bathroom light, and couldn't produce anything close to the Bush bulge.

In the enhanced photo of the first debate, Nelson says, look at the horizontal white line in middle of the president's back. You'll see a shadow. "That's telling me there's definitely a bulge," he says. "In fact, it's how we measure the depths of the craters on the moon or on Mars. We look at the angle of the light and the length of shadow they leave. In this case, that's clearly a crater that's under the horizontal line -- it's clearly a rim of a bulge protruding upward, one due to forces pushing it up from beneath."

Hapke, too, agrees that the bulge is neither anatomy nor a wrinkled shirt. "I would think it's very hard to avoid the conclusion that there's something underneath his jacket," he says. "It would certainly be consistent with some kind of radio receiver and a wire."

Nelson admits that he's a Democrat and plans to vote for John Kerry. But he takes umbrage at being accused of partisanship. "Everyone wants to think my colleague and I are just a bunch of dope-crazed ravaged Democrats who are looking to insult the president at the last minute," he says. "And that's not what this is about. This is scientific analysis. If the bulge were on Bill Clinton's back and he was lying about it, I'd have to say the same thing."

"Look, he says, "I'm putting myself at risk for exposing this. But this is too important. It's not about my reputation. If they force me into an early retirement, it'll be worth it if the public knows about this. It's outrageous statements that I read that the president is wearing nothing under there. There's clearly something there."
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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3292024 - 10/29/04 01:35 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3292043 - 10/29/04 01:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well why does the buldge considerably change size and position in the pictures you provided?

And the idea that bush had something on his back is even more ludacris than kerry's crib notes. Why o why would they put it on his back which would be the most noticable place under his clothes that they could put it.

Also theres a pic where some guy has his hand on bush's back at the debates, what does he have to say?


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3292045 - 10/29/04 01:41 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

dont think it could be a bullet proof jacket? after all he is the president... and why tell a possible gunmen that he might be wearing a bullet proof vest?


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3292068 - 10/29/04 01:49 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

The guy is the president of the U.S.A. Wouldn't he have access
to some more discrete and sophisticated equipment than that?
If that bulge was a "radio transmitter" that he was receiving
cues from, I could order a transmitter that was 1/10 that size
from sites on the internet. Also, think of all of the handlers he
has. Why would they let him go out there with a large, obtrusive,
and easy to spot device?


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3292102 - 10/29/04 01:59 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

RandalFlagg said:
The guy is the president of the U.S.A. Wouldn't he have access
to some more discrete and sophisticated equipment than that?
If that bulge was a "radio transmitter" that he was receiving
cues from, I could order a transmitter that was 1/10 that size
from sites on the internet. Also, think of all of the handlers he
has. Why would they let him go out there with a large, obtrusive,
and easy to spot device?



Exactly. I wouldn't put it past Bush, but I would imagine he would use some better technology. Also consider how poorly he did in the debates. I would have kicked his ass and that is sad.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: Zero7a1]
    #3292105 - 10/29/04 02:01 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Zero7a1 said:
dont think it could be a bullet proof jacket? after all he is the president... and why tell a possible gunmen that he might be wearing a bullet proof vest?




It's not exactly a secret that the President wears a bullet-proof vest on certain occasions. The White House has said however that he wasn't wearing one during the debates. Obviously everybody entering those debate halls was thoroughly screened and checked before being allowed in. I also can't think of any reason why such a vest would produce precisely that kind of bulge between the shoulder blades.

The debates are over now. If he were wearing a vest all they would have to do is say so.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3292125 - 10/29/04 02:07 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

It is precisely the sophistication of the device that makes it so conspicuous. Obviously in order to avoid any embarassing revelations he had to use a device that can descramble the transmissions. The last thing they need is some ham radio operator going to the media with a tape he recorded of a Bush handler feeding him lines.

Add to that the sheer arrogance of the administration: they take the public to be so gullible that they can strap a fairly noticeable device to his back and just laugh it off afterwards and people will believe them. And they're right.

Tell me, what do YOU think that bulge is?


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: z@z.com]
    #3292140 - 10/29/04 02:12 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Exactly. I wouldn't put it past Bush, but I would imagine he would use some better technology. Also consider how poorly he did in the debates. I would have kicked his ass and that is sad.

They had to make a judgment call. I think the handler's constant stream of instructions in a sense hurt Bush because it distracted him, broke up his train of thought (such as it is) and at times probably even irritated him as much as what Kerry was saying. But it was either that or have him look like a complete doofus who has no facts at the top of his head. Those long, painful silences would have been even worse than what actually happened.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3292149 - 10/29/04 02:15 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)


Tell me, what do YOU think that bulge is?

Mind control device. Those haven't been shrunk down too much yet.

But seriously, I have no clue. I just doubt it is a radio
transmitter for several reasons:

1. Much smaller and less obtrusive transmitters are available.
2. Bush did so badly in the debates, there is no way he was
being fed any lines.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: d33p]
    #3292156 - 10/29/04 02:17 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Why is there a bulge there at all? What is it?


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3292169 - 10/29/04 02:22 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

what I think it interesting are the previous reports of someone accidently hearing lines being read to the President on a different occasion.

from: http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2004/10/08/bulge/index_np.html

Quote:

Suggestions that Bush may have using this technique stem from a D-day event in France, when a CNN broadcast appeared to pick up -- and broadcast to surprised viewers -- the sound of another voice seemingly reading Bush his lines, after which Bush repeated them. Danny Schechter, who operates the news site MediaChannel.org, and who has been doing some investigating into the wired-Bush rumors himself, said the Bush campaign has been worried of late about others picking up their radio frequencies -- notably during the Republican Convention on the day of Bush's appearance. "They had a frequency specialist stop me and ask about the frequency of my camera," Schechter said. "The Democrats weren't doing that at their convention."




anyone know if that CNN broadcast is archived somewhere?


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3292172 - 10/29/04 02:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

But seriously, I have no clue.

Well, something is definitely there. The administration says that NOTHING is there. Obviously they're lying. If they're lying then it would suggest that it's something they would rather hide. The most likely candidate would be a receiving device. A second possibility might be a medical device of some sort, a possibility I also accept as being plausible.

1. Much smaller and less obtrusive transmitters are available.
2. Bush did so badly in the debates, there is no way he was
being fed any lines.


1. If you can find a smaller device with state-of-the-art descrambling capability, please link it.

2. Yeah, he did badly, but it's just as possible that WITHOUT the device he would have spent ages trying find the words. His biggest selling point is his so-called "decisiveness"--having him stand up there in front of tens of millions of viewers hemming and hawing and fumbling and silently trying to come up with the right thing to say would have hurt that image pretty badly.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3292195 - 10/29/04 02:32 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

EchoVortex said:
Why is there a bulge there at all? What is it?




I've seen suits do that before, haven't you?

And again i will ask, why does the buldge change size and location in the pictures you provided.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: d33p]
    #3292213 - 10/29/04 02:36 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

d33p said:
Quote:

EchoVortex said:
Why is there a bulge there at all? What is it?




I've seen suits do that before, haven't you?

And again i will ask, why does the buldge change size and location in the pictures you provided.




The pictures are from all three debates.
They are taken at different angles.
The device may shift position slightly as Bush gesticulates.
The bulge is consistently quadrilateral. I have NEVER seen a suit jacket do that by itself, even when tripping. When Bush's tailor tried to recreate the effect, all he could do was create a straight, narrow, horizontal bulge. The pics of the tailor's efforts on the picture page I linked.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: d33p]
    #3292226 - 10/29/04 02:42 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If it was a bulge, I would go with a medical device of some sort.
They don't want the public to know he is sick.
Just my guess.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3292979 - 10/29/04 10:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

weird. he's definitely wearing something.


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: RandalFlagg]
    #3292989 - 10/29/04 10:07 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

1. Much smaller and less obtrusive transmitters are available.

Have any links? I'd be interested to see smaller devices (though I'm sure they do exist).


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: EchoVortex]
    #3293004 - 10/29/04 10:12 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Obviously much smaller radio receivers can be built, including ones with advanced encryption systems and such.

Just look at any PCMCIA network card (for a laptop). Even the wireless ones are only about the size of two credit cards stacked on top of eachother, plus the antenna. Most antennas are less than 1/4" thick and only about 1" x 2". That includes all the circuitry to receive AND SEND tens of megabytes of data through the air, with all descrambling, error checking/corection, and other functions done on-card.

So I'm sure the White House could EASILY have produced a smaller transmitter. Though that still doesn't mean that the bulge under Bush's jacket WASN'T a receiver...as I am not personally aware of any advanced voice radio receivers the size of a pcmcia card (anyone have any links?).


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Re: NASA Image Analyst: Bush Wore Device [Re: trendal]
    #3293091 - 10/29/04 10:59 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)


Have any links? I'd be interested to see smaller devices (though I'm
sure they do exist).

I'm not going to waste time scouring the internet with my slow
connection. I remember putting together an FM radio receiver
in high school(easily over eight years ago) that was in no way
state of the art(got it from Radio Shack) and it was one inch by two
inches.

Also, have you ever seen secret service guys? They all have radio
receivers in their ears(so they can communicate with each other.
Their equipment is small and discrete(I've never seen a bulge on
a secret serviceman's back). If they have small equipment, why
couldn't the president?

Also, why wouldn't they have put this device on his leg and made
his pants a little baggy? I am no expert at concealment, but I
could have done a much better job at hiding a big radio transmitter.

And last but not least, the circuit required to send somebody audio
could be divided into three parts. One part is the receiver, one
part is the amplifier, and the other part is the speaker system which
makes the sound. For 10$ from Wal Mart I can buy a set of
headphones that has all of that integrated into it(ever see joggers
with those "radio" headphones?). The circuitry in those purely
radio headphones is tiny in comparison to that thing on the
president's back. I'll bet that the CIA has made something that is
the size of a fly that can receive audio from a remote location.


Edited by RandalFlagg (10/29/04 12:40 PM)


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