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Offline24769
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Minimizing wilting? best drying method?
    #3289888 - 10/28/04 05:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Whats the best way to minimize wilting. i understand there will be loss but is there anyway to get them to hold there shape?? what would happen if u injected air up base of stem ? hypothethically forcing moisture out??  :mushroom2:


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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: 24769]
    #3291953 - 10/29/04 01:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

go to home depot and buy some stuff called Damp-Rid, its calcium chloride.  Then take a screen and put it over the damp-rid, and put your wet shrooms on top of it. The mixture will suck the water out of the mushrooms.  They will need approximately 3 days to dry in there, but you'll know when the write time is eventually.

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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: harrb]
    #3291987 - 10/29/04 01:27 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

sorry.. can't help you with wilting. Personally I like having to eat smaller mushrooms... Far less storage space needed..

Anyways.. I made couple of drying chambers.. dry them in there for 12-16 hours(depends on how much I put in there at a time), then into the desiccant chamber(it stays at 20%) until cracker dry. It takes about a day in the drying chamber to make them cracker dry. Then into the food saver with a little desiccant bag made with 2 layers of coffee filter.

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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: Sam1912]
    #3292658 - 10/29/04 05:39 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You can't stop it. Shrooms are 90% water, you remove that all when you dry them. They're going to shrivel. Sorry!


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Re: A couple quick questions if you got the time [Re: Sam1912]
    #3293861 - 10/29/04 03:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

hi, thanks for replying. i have seen non wilted shrooms, is it because they are freezer dried? hypothetically a cooler and some blocks of dry ice? also what if any consequence from injecting air from a syringe up the base of stem? i guess i will just have to try it. anyhow thanks for your time.


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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: 24769]
    #3293901 - 10/29/04 03:35 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I have heard that vacuum drying will minimize wilting.

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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: Joshua]
    #3294017 - 10/29/04 04:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

flash freeze with liquid nitrogen then vaccum chamber at 30 InHg
till water sublimates very expensive


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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: noxy]
    #3295534 - 10/29/04 11:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Its the strain. Brazils and cambodians tend to not wilt. Z's and GT's (sometimes) do. This is all I have experience with but I've found its just the kind they are and the way they grow.


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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: 24769]
    #3295561 - 10/29/04 11:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't understand why you would care if they wilt, there is no real way to dry them without wilting like Scatmanrav said.  I've never grown a strain that didn't wilt, but I only have Thai Superstrain and Equador... err a friend of a friend does. :smile:  They always wilt when drying.

I dry with a fan for 24 hours and then a desiccant chamber for 24 hours.  Cracker dry :smile:

I wouldn't want to freeze my mushrooms either, but I guess if you have access to liquid nitrogen like noxy said, heh, why not huh? :wink:  I wouldn't want to eat frozen mushrooms though, and I imagine they'd be pretty nasty when they returned to room temperature.  Also if you end up freezing them remember not to heat them up to thaw, as psilocin breaks down around 103 degrees (right?) and psilocybin around 182 (correct me please if I'm wrong so I'm right next time :grin:).

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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: Silven]
    #3296313 - 10/30/04 06:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Freezing itself would break down the active chemicals (freezing creates pressure which breaks it down) so using heat wont really matter at this point. I dont know about those temps but just about any drying removes most psilocin and psilocybin can hold up to low heat drying (under 100-125..I like 90ish) just fine IME.


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: 24769]
    #3297952 - 10/30/04 05:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I just wanted to add that earlier this summer there was indeed witnessed cracker dry mushrooms with VERY minimal wilting. They were so dry dustishness would cloud off when a stem was snapped. I have no idea how it was done, but they were certainly more appealing than the norm. That's all!


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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: daimyo]
    #3298503 - 10/30/04 08:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Its the strain I promise you..Brazils:



Remain quite strait when you dry them..very little blueing..quite pretty..let me see if I have any dry pics..well nothing good..I'll get some of some different strains when they're comming off the dryer, but it is the strain. Try out brazils if you want straight pretty shrooms.


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How I do grain (old still good tips)
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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3302234 - 10/31/04 09:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Freezing itself would break down the active chemicals (freezing creates pressure which breaks it down) so using heat wont really matter at this point.




do u have evidence to support this? ive never read anything about freezing doing anything to psillyness, or pressure for that matter. i know freezing a live specimen would kill the cells, but that doesnt really matter if your freeze drying for storage. also i beleive freeze drying is done in a vacuum to suck out the water from the stuff u wanna dry onto the freezing element thinger. (obviously im really knowledgable about this)


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Re: Minimizing wilting? best drying method? [Re: amyloid]
    #3302834 - 10/31/04 11:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Freeze drying is done like that but I'm talking about actually freezing which causes the water molecules to expand which isn't how freeze drying would work. I would imagine freeze drying would work for mushrooms but I've not tried this myself.

I was high and thinking I was talking about bud with the pressure thing (breaks down THC). I did still mean they can't be frozen though fresh..the expanding of the water molecules would turn them to mush.


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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