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Skinny Pedros
    #3289770 - 10/28/04 04:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I got these two Pedros last spring. One was fat as hell at the base but had a skinny top that was bent. It reminded me of a smurf's hat. Anyways the hooked one straightened up but it is still skinny. What can I do to make it have thicker growth? The soil is a mix of soil, llama shit, and perlite treated with bone meal. It gets direct sun for the majority of the day. I watered it at least once a week and folar fed it a couple times a week. It has been transplanted. What haven't I done?


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #3290207 - 10/28/04 06:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well water it more often with ferts and give it more sun. The new growth should get fatter but the thin part will always be thin. The thickness of the cactus is relative to the intensity and amount of light it gets.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3290520 - 10/28/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Can I just use a watered down miracle grow type all around fert or is there anything speciel in formulas for cacti?


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #3290649 - 10/28/04 07:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

What do you mean by soil? Like potting soil or cactus soil? I'd say you're gonna end up holding too much water with the potting soil holding capacities plus the llama manure. I'd thin that out with some sand, especially if you're using ferts with each watering (which is fine if it's diluted miracle grow that works just the same as an everywatering feeder of specific cactus nutes whch is like 3-3-3 or whatever).

The thin part like gr0wer said will always be thin relative to the new growth if it gets better light intensity (that's what caused the thin part and will remedy the thin part as gr0wer also mentioned). The thin part will thicken up a bit just like a tree thickens up at the base as it gets older but it won't be as thick as the new growth if it gets better light.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: neuro]
    #3290744 - 10/28/04 07:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I would follow the advice you've been given and when it gets larger but you see the skinny part is always going to be skinny then cut it where it starts to get skinny, let it callous over and plant the top part. The base will put out pups and the top will take off nice and fat.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3291472 - 10/28/04 11:19 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Look for a low nitrogen fert. Im currently using 2-7-7 shults cactus ferts. But a mix of shultz 10-10-10 worked fine for me before i got the new ferts.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #3292785 - 10/29/04 08:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Besides the light/fert problem, I have run into a problem of having black pots sitting in the sun. I have looked into this problem and have found that if the soil temperature in the pot becomes too great, that also will affect the growth of cactus (T. Pachanoi).

I discovered this fact this summer when I had 10 new cuttings that suddenly looked like bowling pins. The soil mix was great, good water/fert and good sun. I did some research and found that the missing ingredient was the soil temperature in the pots.

This might be a problem where I live (Southern US) and not a real concern for people living north of here.

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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: Aelph]
    #3292898 - 10/29/04 09:24 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thats probably why they always do best in a bed id say..


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: faslimy]
    #3293615 - 10/29/04 02:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

And with white rocks over the soil top to reflect light back.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: Aelph]
    #3295320 - 10/29/04 10:33 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Besides the light/fert problem, I have run into a problem of having black pots sitting in the sun. I have looked into this problem and have found that if the soil temperature in the pot becomes too great, that also will affect the growth of cactus (T. Pachanoi).

I discovered this fact this summer when I had 10 new cuttings that suddenly looked like bowling pins. The soil mix was great, good water/fert and good sun. I did some research and found that the missing ingredient was the soil temperature in the pots.

This might be a problem where I live (Southern US) and not a real concern for people living north of here.

Hope this helps



That is an issue for me too then because I live in the south east. What I mean by soil is this premixed stuff called Jungle Growth. Its already a pretty light mix. In some of the others its composted cow manure. The llama shit is great though. I ran out so I need to go for a walk through the field to get some more. The soil dries out pretty fast. They grew what I would consider to be a diecent amount although it's my first year so I have no compairison. I had one who was rooting most of the season but still ended up doubling in size and putting out a pup. I am wondering if soil temp might be it.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #3295517 - 10/29/04 11:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Cactus love good draining light soil. How tall did they grow in a season minds eyes?


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3305324 - 11/01/04 04:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

One grew about 12 inches the other which was only growing, due to lack of roots, part of the season 6 inches but also put out a pup which still seems to be growing noticably now. The soil only takes a couple of days at most of direct light to dry out. It has a lot of perlite in it. I had to repot the one that grew about 12 inches and it had some thick nice looking roots.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #3306192 - 11/01/04 08:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

You let it go bone dry? Your better off watering every day once its well rooted starting about 6-8 weeks after planting.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3306225 - 11/01/04 08:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Watering every day would be a little too much, imho. With all plants you have to let the soil dry out some or they get root rot.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: Stonehenge]
    #3306226 - 11/01/04 08:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Not with cactus, have good draining soil and only water a little every day.


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Re: Skinny Pedros [Re: Gr0wer]
    #3306291 - 11/01/04 09:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Seems to be a serious conflict of ideas here. I'm sure both of you speak with experience so maybe we should agree that both methods can work and you should find a method which works well in your growing situation?

Personally I heavily soak and then let it completely dry then resoak.


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