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do 'evil' people know they're evil
    #3289684 - 10/28/04 04:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

like all these mass murderers an shit - do they even realize that what they're doing is wrong, or do they simply find some way to justify their actions in their own minds (regardless how askewed such thought processes may be)

is there even such a thing as someone that genuinely 'gets off' on being a sadistic bastard...or does everyone truely want to be 'good' but some people simply don't quite understand what that means (or maybe they do and they simply feel that sometimes it's neccessary to do quote unquote 'bad' things in order to serve the greater good)





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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Muppet]
    #3289691 - 10/28/04 04:19 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Bush thinks he's a solid christian and a fortune to America. That about answers your question.


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: vc77]
    #3289714 - 10/28/04 04:25 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Nah I think some people like the fact that they know they're bad, where as for others their view just differs from most people or gets twisted.


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: MovingTarget]
    #3289741 - 10/28/04 04:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

whats evil to one person is righteous to another, and no one can say in any absolute sense what is and isnt 'ok' . All we do is justify our own actions and form our own system for rationalizing what we do. Even mass murdering, rape and genocide cannot be called wrong with anything but personal conviction.

Many mass murders revel in there wickedness, others think they serve some god or angel or spirit and what they do is ultimately good, it all depends on the individual. Most mass murderers qualify as sociopaths , which by defintiion is someone who cant learn to understand or accept social and moral values

even the things we don a regular basis, masturbation, smoking weed, drinking beer, etc are considerd evil by others.


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3289905 - 10/28/04 05:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

you can be evil, only through the eyes of judgment? :P


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Gomp]
    #3289917 - 10/28/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

And who are these 'evil people'?

Don't think I've met one :smile:


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: deff]
    #3289945 - 10/28/04 05:21 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

fuck the word "evil"


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: exclusive58]
    #3290006 - 10/28/04 05:33 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

live evil!


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Gomp]
    #3290015 - 10/28/04 05:34 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Wow, our language's symbols for 'live' and 'evil' are reversed copies of eachother :shocked:

It must have some metaphysical importance :laugh:

Heh.


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Muppet]
    #3290031 - 10/28/04 05:37 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

I heard that in Hinduism, you can strive for pure good or pure evil, and both are considered legitimate pursuits. I think it would be interesting to see someone do evil things for the sake of evil, rather than for self-serving reasons.


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: silversoul7]
    #3290043 - 10/28/04 05:39 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

that might actually be a pretty interresting case study  :thumbup:


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Mystical_Craven]
    #3290166 - 10/28/04 05:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

is it not eveil to live? make a baby, did that baby get a feair deal? whats the real differnc in taking a life, vs giving life? dont get to deside either? (forget suecide for a moment) :P no, infact consider that, life in your body you can "get out of" at own actions? but you are "forced" in to it?
live evil i say, be your own fear!?


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Gomp]
    #3290309 - 10/28/04 06:27 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

damn gomp, feel ya on that :smile:


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: silversoul7]
    #3290426 - 10/28/04 06:54 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

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silversoul7 said:
I heard that in Hinduism, you can strive for pure good or pure evil, and both are considered legitimate pursuits. I think it would be interesting to see someone do evil things for the sake of evil, rather than for self-serving reasons.




That sounds like a misinterpretation at best, a load of bollox at worst. I don't know much about Hinduism though - but I do know that every religion espouses compassion and kindness that flows from a relationship with God at the core.


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Gomp]
    #3290494 - 10/28/04 07:07 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

To live is to be evil, I like the sound of that.

You have to kill to eat don't you?
Since we and what we eat are made of the same interconnected stuff we are actually reality killing and devouring itself. Life feeds on life which feeds on life, etc. To live is to take life from annother thing.


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: MAGnum]
    #3290544 - 10/28/04 07:18 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

But thats just another perception of what evil really is :cool:

edit) what have humans ever done FOR the planet other than trying to limit the damage being done already


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: MovingTarget]
    #3290761 - 10/28/04 07:56 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

We love and appreciate it. At least some of us do. "If" the planet has consciousness then it feels acknowledged and appreciated by having us here.

If no one was here to appreciate the marvels and beauties and gems of earth, it would really be a waste and the consciousness of earth would be like, What the fuck am I floating around here for?


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Muppet]
    #3290892 - 10/28/04 08:32 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

like all these mass murderers an shit - do they even realize that what they're doing is wrong, or do they simply find some way to justify their actions in their own minds (regardless how askewed such thought processes may be)

Perhaps you should study Freud's model of the Id, Ego and Super Ego.
The ID is the central core of our minds, and is what we are all born with. It is "amoral", since it knows no right or wrong. All it knows is such as: "I am hungry = Eat Food"; "I am thirsty = Drink water/fluid"; "I am horny = have sex".
What surrounds the core of the ID, is the "Ego"... which is our sense of self, albeit ultimately illusory.
Around the Ego, is the "Super Ego".
It is the Super Ego where our feelings such as guilt, stem from.
It is our parent's rules, and society's rules telling us that what the ID wants is either bad or good.
The Ego is more of the "adult", and it mediates between the ID and the Super Ego.
Those with a healthy sense of ego are able to control the super ego [guilty feelings] and the ID; in other words, a healthy Ego will say that it is okay to want certain things, but there is a time and place for everything.
Example: Muppet is resting and suntanning on a sunny beach, sipping margaritas with miniature umbrellas perched in the rim-salted drink, and he spots a strikingly gorgeous top-less woman wearing a thong walking by.
Muppet's ID: "I want her. I am Horny. Keep Watching."
Muppet's Super Ego: "Muppet, you fricking pervert, what the hell is your problem. Stop looking."
Muppet's Ego: "Okay now, I am a male. She is there, and I am here. I am not such a pervert. This is a normal and healthy biological reaction. Since I like what I see, maybe I'll ask her for her phone number, since I lost mine."

Now this was an example of a healthy ego.
There are those individuals with overgrown Super Egos who tend to become stuck in guilty feelings and are unable to find a good, healthy sense of self [ego].
On the other hand, there are those individuals who never feel guilt or remorse at all, which is obviously unhealthy as well. This stems from overgrown egos, which can lead to antisocial behaviors [as in criminal behaviors] or poor social skills, relations with peers or relatives. In other words, those mass-murderers with sociopathic behaviors and such are usually people who have a disparity between the ego and the super ego.

is there even such a thing as someone that genuinely 'gets off' on being a sadistic bastard...or does everyone truely want to be 'good' but some people simply don't quite understand what that means (or maybe they do and they simply feel that sometimes it's neccessary to do quote unquote 'bad' things in order to serve the greater good)

Well, one interesting thing comes to mind about something that I read of criminals such as mass murderers; studies have shown that serial killers have a deep desire to be caught. I theorize this is because they weakly 'know" that what they are doing is wrong, and they wish to be 'helped', so their Super Ego subconsciously militates against the Ego's overgrown sociopathic behaviors.

But Freud was a coke fiend, and alla this could be based on a coke-induced armchair-pseudopsychoanalysis. :wink:



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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290965 - 10/28/04 08:57 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

Good point, but to believe that I would also have to believe that there is an overall Earth conciousness. Would really like to believe that, but to be honest I dont know what I believe, but am also drawn to the idea that there is no point to anything. I just dont know!


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Re: do 'evil' people know they're evil [Re: Muppet]
    #3291014 - 10/28/04 09:11 PM (12 years, 11 months ago)

No, they usually think they are doing God's work.


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