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OfflineGazzBut
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Healing
    #3289614 - 10/28/04 04:00 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I dont know if this has been brought up here already?

I know many people who come here believe in the power of prayer to heal, i dont even know if i do to be honest but i do know that it never hurts to try.

Im sure most of you may have seen this: KOTT
What im suggesting is that we try and get a group of willing people together to meditate/pray/send out the vibes or whatever you want to call it for say half an hour at a time every few days. I think we should try and synchronise this as closely as possible.

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Re: Healing [Re: GazzBut]
    #3292445 - 10/29/04 03:42 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Id long thought that this place was full of navel gazers and wafflers..

Anyway I'll let you get back to defining the meaning of life and deciding whether free will really exists (for the 100th time!)..have fun u enlightened beings!!


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Re: Healing [Re: GazzBut]
    #3292510 - 10/29/04 04:16 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

What im suggesting is that we try and get a group of willing people together to meditate/pray/send out the vibes or whatever you want to call it for say half an hour at a time every few days.

It worked really well for the beheading victims in Iraq. Thoughts without action have no power whatsoever.


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Re: Healing [Re: Swami]
    #3292688 - 10/29/04 06:32 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Still spotuing the same boring dogma with no actual proof Swami? As I said navel gazers and waffle merchants.


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Re: Healing [Re: GazzBut]
    #3292925 - 10/29/04 09:38 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Ja, prayer will solve diseases from a distance. :rolleyes:

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Re: Healing [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3292936 - 10/29/04 09:47 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

But the thing from my point of view is taht when you work and "pray" towards something. It only strengthens your views and only consintrates your mind towards the healing procees you are looking for. It makes your mind more apt to notice such changes in daily life do to the fact that you are affirming these thoughts into a consentrated prayer making it more exceptable.


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Re: Healing [Re: GazzBut]
    #3292954 - 10/29/04 09:55 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

While I've never seen evidential reason to believe in it personally, at the same time I do not believe that the lack of personal experience of evidential reason is evidence enough to dismiss it as a possibility either.


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Re: Healing [Re: Corporal Kielbasa]
    #3292977 - 10/29/04 10:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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SHEIKofSHIITAKE said:
But the thing from my point of view is taht  when you work and "pray" towards something.  It only strengthens your views and only consintrates your mind towards the healing procees you are looking for.  It makes your mind more apt to notice such changes in daily life do to the fact that you are affirming these thoughts into a consentrated prayer making it more exceptable.




Ja, it definitely can help oneself as far as mental change goes....

But its ability to cure disease in people never before met? That's stepping over a boundary there.... sure, it could be possible, but definitely not probable. All of that wasted mental energy could go towards productive, physical methods of helping cure the afllicted one. :wink:

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Re: Healing [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3293096 - 10/29/04 11:01 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"While I've never seen evidential reason to believe in it personally, at the same time I do not believe that the lack of personal experience of evidential reason is evidence enough to dismiss it as a possibility either."

Same :smile:


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Re: Healing [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3293264 - 10/29/04 12:16 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Ja, prayer will solve diseases from a distance.




Yeah almost as funny as the idea that a teenage kid who is full of shit actually knows anything eh?


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Re: Healing [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3293279 - 10/29/04 12:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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All of that wasted mental energy could go towards productive, physical methods of helping cure the afllicted one.





How exactly in this situation?


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Re: Healing [Re: GazzBut]
    #3295994 - 10/30/04 02:29 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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GazzBut said:
Yeah almost as funny as the idea that a teenage kid who is full of shit actually knows anything eh?




:rolleyes:

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How exactly in this situation?





Well, one could actually take positive action, instead of trying to change events outside of oneself with "positive" prayer. Offer fufilling interaction with the individual, giving them the chance to have unique, memorable experiences (take them skydiving, etc.). Show them your support. Start a fund to help assist with medical costs. Let them know how you feel about them, show them how unique and special they are. Grow some mushrooms and trip with them. Even if you cannot physically be with them, there are still plenty of ways to assist.

Spread the good vibes instead of just imagining them. Laugh with them; cry with them. This has much more potential for healing than, as I keep saying, silenty imagining healing taking place. Give them something to fight for, you know? Connect with the person and genuinely spread positivity, it is the only way.  :laugh:  :mushroom2:

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Re: Healing [Re: fireworks_god]
    #3297160 - 10/30/04 01:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Prayer? What type of Prayer?

The mind can achieve anything.

Like jesus said, an enlightened man can literally move mountains if he has unlocked the Christ within him.


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Re: Healing [Re: tekramrepus]
    #3297410 - 10/30/04 02:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Wow! Someone said something, therefore it MUST be true. Can you demonstrate this miraculous power or merely parrot a line you read?


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Re: Healing [Re: Swami]
    #3297506 - 10/30/04 03:17 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

do you have desire to prove or disprove the views and philosophies? It do not matter does it?


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Re: Healing [Re: tekramrepus]
    #3297631 - 10/30/04 03:55 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Supermarket, I could be wrong, but I don't think the word "literally" is actually in there... I'm actually pretty sure it's meant to be taken metaphorically. It's simply meant to suggest that a large feat that seems impossible can possibly be achieved if you try.


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Re: Healing [Re: JacquesCousteau]
    #3297700 - 10/30/04 04:15 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

ha ha Ha ha ya,

I remember when I was kid and I would hear that one from the Bible and I would think, If I just beleive hard enough, I can shift Mt. Everest across the crust of the earth. LOL

Isn't it actually, "with faith the size of mustard seeds one can move mountains" ????

I don't know, anyway, whatever it is, it's metaphorical for the damn mountians we create out of mole hills.

here's another twist on morph fields and warping reality to serve you.

If you look at things from a a small place down low, they all look huge, like being an ant. If you shift perspective and look at something from being the size of a galaxy high above it, it's so tiny it's almost insignificant, you can just glide right over it.

Warp and Morph with perspective is my new motto. LOL


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Re: Healing [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3297804 - 10/30/04 04:50 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think all of the mental thought going into prayer/meditation helps cement in your own mind what it is that you believe. In every day life you reflect upon important issues whether you are aware or not. Sometimes a pesrons brain can solve problems when no energy is actually applied to the thought a solution comes. It is my belief that reflection/prayer/meditation gives better results to issues through making it a part of your thought that doing nothing at all. It is also a great way to procede if one is unsure of what to do next.


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Re: Healing [Re: GazzBut]
    #3298802 - 10/30/04 10:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Still spotuing the same boring dogma with no actual proof Swami?
Hmmm didn't he just point out that all the praying didn't help the beheading victims? Yeah.. so his point he made is proven, so.. what's going on here I'm confused again.


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Re: Healing [Re: Swami]
    #3299626 - 10/31/04 01:12 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"It worked really well for the beheading victims in Iraq. Thoughts without action have no power whatsoever."

I love your point there. Prayer is beneficial, but the old Christian proverb about God only helping those that help themselves is accurate.


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