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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: deff]
    #3290069 - 10/28/04 03:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

""What if we already are doing it and don't have the software developed just for the ability to realise it???????""

Harmonie!



""Spend 15 minutes a day listening to music, watching a TV show and reading a book all at the same time and then review your comprehension of the 3. If you can develop the ability to be comprehensive of all stimuli at the same time, that would be a start for getting better at bi consciousness. ""

that's kinda why i smoke pot, i feel I'm not ready for this "multitasking" yet and it is just to easy when sober (i feel soberness as the "wildest" drug ever) :P and i definitively relate to what your saying keep it coming !


"""Another good exercise is look in one spot while mentally focusing on two objects on the opposite sides of your vision.
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cool! me and my friends been talking bout that! it wild how you can 'cross' your eye's looking towards the nose, but we "can not" do the opposite? :wink:


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: Gomp]
    #3290104 - 10/28/04 03:49 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Heh I didn't mean actually move your eyes to both. Keep you eyes fixed in the middle with your awareness focused on both opposite objects.

Another good 'general' focus technique is to stare at one spot and move your awareness all around spatially. Try all 3 dimensions, and not just the two of your "flat" vision. Improvement is noticed quickly :cool:


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: deff]
    #3290136 - 10/28/04 03:53 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not talking bout that def, lots of people can see into other times lines and run up and down them and have opened their feely sensies to multi D silmultaneous time to varying degrees. I can enough that it serves me in decision making and understanding connections better.

It's more then theory for me. Thats why I keep suggesting to people to start emotionalising this stuff and do emotional processing.

Anyway, I did try it when I was younger and didn't like it. Drugs arn't for me. I can barely handle my mind off of them. I like the idea of being able to induce tripping chemicals from my own brains pharamacy. he he he


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290149 - 10/28/04 03:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Go at them again with your new insight.

What's the worse that can happen :cool:


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: deff]
    #3290161 - 10/28/04 03:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I may become dependent on them and quit working on being able to induce altered states without them.

I have a VERY additive personality


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290179 - 10/28/04 03:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

next time you do em def, or anyone, intend to see what extra insight you can get on this.


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290299 - 10/28/04 04:24 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

""Heh I didn't mean actually move your eyes to both. Keep you eyes fixed in the middle with your awareness focused on both opposite objects."" sure, i just mentioned it :P  :thumbup: kinda related I guess :P

"""I may become dependent on them """
how can anyone be dependent on anything but dependence's? its just a thought? quitting is just that, quitting :P

"""what extra insight you can get on this"""

i get less? when you are sober, your whole brain is active?
when smoking dope, you kill some of it, and then focus easier on the one left?  like turning of the multitasking and just task?


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: Gomp]
    #3290345 - 10/28/04 04:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

its easy to become dependent on dependence.

We depend on food and water to survive and pay checks and blah blah blah

I want to be INDEPENDENT and soverign of the physical world while in it. I want to be able to survive on ether and zero point energy AND I want to be able to manifest shit out of thin air just for shitz and giggles. If I can figure out this morph field shit, I can know how to manifest instanteouly and heal shit.

Dude, when you take shrooms, chemicals are released in your brain that allows for the trip. I can release them in mild doses at will. I want to stick with my program.

I like being a shroomless shroomhead.


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290367 - 10/28/04 04:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

""I want to be INDEPENDENT ""

hehe, only way to become independent is to be it?

its easy to become dependent on dependence, only if you think so?
""as soon as a philosophy begins to believe in itself. It always creates a world in its own image"" ? :P


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: Gomp]
    #3290388 - 10/28/04 04:47 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I tried something new today....see with your eyes closed.....It wierd, but its a good excersize for keeping mental images solid...With eyes close, actually move your physical hand in front of your closed eyes, then visualize exactly what your doing....In a way you start to see the framework of that image as a mental projection.....then start touching things, and your hand is like your eyes....its pretty cool, i think :smile:


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: Gomp]
    #3290436 - 10/28/04 04:57 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

No kidding gomp, thats why I don't care to use a drug to do something I can already do without it.

That would be like putting yourself on a lung resperator when you already know how to breath????????????????

russian, that sounds like jedi stuff, like when luke was playing with his sabor and that floating ball while blind folded. It's sorta Zen too. I play those games he he he. Good suggestion!


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290464 - 10/28/04 05:02 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

use less effort
try not to visualize and
just see anyway.
this is closer to what I experience.

more alice in wonderland effect is needed, i.e. stuff has to happen without effort.

the effort should go in an opposite or unrelated direction than the one in question.


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3290484 - 10/28/04 05:05 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I hear ya. When I go exploring, I make a "loose" intention and then let go.

The tough part is keeping yourself from not applying any direction based on where you think it will or should go along the way. I'm getting better at that. Typically, the answers you are after, do not follow your personal line of reasoning and logic.

For sure, ya have to get out of your own way.


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    #3290490 - 10/28/04 05:06 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

and move sideways


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Re: watch everything [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3290496 - 10/28/04 05:08 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

lol


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Re: watch everything [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290638 - 10/28/04 05:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

""That would be like putting yourself on a lung resperator when you already know how to breath????????????????""

exactly.. then forget the brathing totaly and focus "in full" on the hart beat..


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Re: watch everything [Re: Gomp]
    #3290669 - 10/28/04 05:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I do that too. Not on purpose, but often I catch myself not breathing. I later learned some yogis can do this. Maybe I will play with it on purpose. LOL


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290679 - 10/28/04 05:37 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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I hear ya. When I go exploring, I make a "loose" intention and then let go.

The tough part is keeping yourself from not applying any direction based on where you think it will or should go along the way. I'm getting better at that. Typically, the answers you are after, do not follow your personal line of reasoning and logic.

For sure, ya have to get out of your own way.





hehe, "we are already doing it"?? imagine sleep, if you dream, what if, i say what if, when you dream of your mom and you are talking about the weather in London. what if. you were in a London (not the one we know) but still A London, seen the world as it is? in full control whit full potential realized??
i often thought of dying as happening as sleep :P there is a major difference between dead and rotten?


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3290947 - 10/28/04 06:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

here is the article. I was telling a friend about how i noticed myself not breathing sometimes, this was last spring, and he said that happened to him when he took DMT that weekend. He e-mailed me this a week later, wierd;

From moutain-manna.com


Article not written by me;

We wanted to talk a bit about the suspension of the breath and its relation to the ascension process. Not as a goal to work toward, literally huffing and puffing (ultimately the suspension of the breath is the goal of pranayama, though a forgotten goal in most cases.), but as a natural process that takes place at a certain point in your spiritual growth.
In letter#1 we said:
"But first we want to talk a bit about the breath: you don't have to... breathe, that is. Not to worry; there is a precedent for this among your yogis, some of whom have been voluntarily buried for hours and arose alive and well. They went into a state of consciousness beyond the breath.

The early and middle stages of the ascension process often involves various deep breathing techniques, always bringing more and more oxygen into the system (and activating the Mer Ka Ba). However, as you move toward the higher octaves of Metalight and Lumina you'll be utilizing a more refined energy source (prana) and slowly begin to meditate, and sometimes function daily, in a state of consciousness that has suspended breath as one of its attributes. The prana that sustains your form will flow in and out through the top of your head (crown chakra). This involves a specific series of occurrences with the kundalini and the chakra system, particularly the heart, throat and crown. It is one of the more difficult gateways to pass through, but a number of you are ready, and we'd love to assist." {end quote}

It does not have to be a difficult gateway for you now as you move into the higher octaves of our primary formulations. Part of the difficulty is obviously the belief that you'll literally die if you stop breathing. When this natural process begins you hold onto the lung-breath and don't allow the Breath of Life to flow.

When does it naturally occur? One requirement is that the Ida and Pingali are in balance. The ascending and descending currents that spiral around the center column. So many folks associate the rising Ida current with Kundalini. When this (Ida) is out of balance one is "spacey" and spiritually weak. Rather than consuming the challenges of this plane as fuel, one can't cope; too "skewed" to that 'false' light with a very small "l"

One often ends up settling into a pleasant or not so pleasant psychic realm; unable to deal with the challenges of life here. There is so much more available to you.

As these two currents are balanced there is an implosion birthing Light with a capital "L", and an upward flow from the center channel as the Kundalini rises naturally and gently. Kundalini can be forced by many means; but the outcome is not always gentle. If the spiraling currents are balanced it's a very natural process. A number of you taking the combination of Metalight, Lumina, and Amritha are experiencing this; indeed that's a primary function of the early octaves and the meditation exercises sent with the formulations.

Another factor is the opening of the complete third eye; the positive (ajna third eye) and the negative (medulla area) poles opened and balanced; and both connected to the crown chakra at the top of the head, forming the Crystal Cave with the hypothalamus and subsidiary endocrine glands enclosed. The exercises we send with the octaves facilitate this process, and are designed to work with the formulations.

Given this, (and a number of you who have been traveling with us now
have this foundation) this is what would tend to occur: The kundalini rises up through the throat and the top of the head (thousand petaled lotus) begins to open [this is a multi step process but is at least beginning for many now]. There is a pulsation that begins to occur at the top of the head; at the same time the breath begins to suspend.

Actually a number of things occur simultaneously and there can be a short period of discomfort, almost pressure. So: top of head beginning to open, pulsation, breath suspending; also the throat closes. That is uncomfortable at first, usually one gasps a bit, pulls the breath in and comes back "down" to the heart chakra (or below) where it is very pleasant and comfortable. And there remains for lifetimes.

The throat actually needs to contract as the breath suspends; biologically this adjusts the pressure and protects the small blood vessels in the brain. No way around this contraction, it's a necessary and positive occurrence. But there is a way to move through this occurrence with ease, without getting caught.... [This is an excerpt from Ascension Assistance Letter #4 that includes meditation exercises to facilitate this process]

...... with these you can move with ease to the other side of this potentially difficult gate. Here is a state of dynamic euphoria. The pulsation at the top of the head is seen to be a flow of refined prana coming in and out through the top of your head. The experience is not easy to describe in words; vibrant peace, full living stillness.

As you take these formulations in conjunction with practicing these "exercises" you'll begin to know what the words point to. Once through this 'gate' we can turn to completing the initial process that will activate the neurosecretion that you can literally taste flowing from the roof of your mouth. Some of you have already started to experience this as well.


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Re: Question for practicing Shamans here on bi-location [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3291194 - 10/28/04 08:04 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

is there not more? hehe that was awsome! i just came from my bed experiencing 'this'!


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