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Offlinezahudulallah
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Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression
    #3285361 - 10/27/04 04:16 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Police: Driver Tried to Run Over Katherine Harris

Wed Oct 27, 2:12 PM ET Oddly Enough - Reuters



MIAMI (Reuters) - A Florida motorist was arrested on Wednesday on charges of trying to run down U.S. Rep. Katherine Harris (news, bio, voting record) at an intersection where the controversial former state elections chief was campaigning for re-election to Congress.


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The Republican lawmaker and several supporters were campaigning alongside a street corner in her hometown of Sarasota Tuesday evening. A silver Cadillac sped toward them, drove up onto the sidewalk where Harris stood, and then swerved away at the last minute, the Sarasota police report said.


No one was hurt. Witnesses noted the car's license tag number and police tracked the owner, Barry Seltzer, 46, of Sarasota, who was jailed early Wednesday on a charge of aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. He said he was annoyed because some of Harris' supporters were blocking traffic, the arrest report said.


"I was exercising my political expression," it quoted him as saying. "I did not run them down, I scared them a little."


Harris was Florida's secretary of state and its top election official during the state's presidential ballot recount battle in 2000. Vilified by Democrats for her role in halting the recounts, she was elected to the House of Representatives in her heavily Republican district in 2002 and faces Democratic challenger Jan Schneider in Tuesday's election.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zahudulallah]
    #3285748 - 10/27/04 05:37 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

That's totally fucked. What an asshole.


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Offlinezappaisgod
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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3285842 - 10/27/04 05:50 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Yet another example of the Dems refusal to adhere to the bounds of civilised behaviour. They are not behaving like civilized people and may have to be caged to protect those of us who know how to act


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Offlinezahudulallah
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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3286108 - 10/27/04 06:39 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Yet another example of the Dems refusal to adhere to the bounds of civilised behaviour. They are not behaving like civilized people and may have to be caged to protect those of us who know how to act




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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3286135 - 10/27/04 06:44 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I liked how you used E.S.P. to find out that the dude was a democrat.

That guy just had roadrage because the bitch was blocking traffic.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3286156 - 10/27/04 06:48 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
That's totally fucked. What an asshole.




only because he missed the mark...otherwise..he deserves a medal...


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3286249 - 10/27/04 07:01 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Anna, Anna, Anna. Does this mean you think its OK for me to run you over??? After all, I think you're a complete idiot and a threat to my security because you might vote and do speak.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3286298 - 10/27/04 07:16 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

>> I think you're a complete idiot and a threat to my security

then it obviously doesnt take much to "threaten your security"..if a complete idiot like me can do it...

>> because you might vote

you mean because i will vote..against bush...


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3286310 - 10/27/04 07:19 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

You didn't answer my question. Is it OK if I run you over for those reasons? Yea or nay. Really simple.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3286327 - 10/27/04 07:23 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

Chopping up my post to distort the meaning!!! What a surprise!!! You really are special.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zappaisgod]
    #3286331 - 10/27/04 07:24 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

you can run me over after i cast my vote for john kerry..and before bush wins...


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Annapurna1]
    #3286393 - 10/27/04 07:38 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I'll rent a Hummer for the occasion


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14051471 - 03/01/11 09:57 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'll rent a Hummer for the occasion




:laugh2:  I love this place!

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14055723 - 03/02/11 04:53 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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zappaisgod said:
Yet another example of the Dems refusal to adhere to the bounds of civilised behaviour. 






Yeah.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: TGRR]
    #14055995 - 03/02/11 05:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TGRR said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Yet another example of the Dems refusal to adhere to the bounds of civilised behaviour. 






Yeah.





Wow.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Teh_Freeky]
    #14058562 - 03/03/11 06:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

His car was dressed provocatively.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Teh_Freeky]
    #14058939 - 03/03/11 09:33 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TGRR said:
Quote:

zappaisgod said:
Yet another example of the Dems refusal to adhere to the bounds of civilised behaviour. 






Yeah.





http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/03/homophobic-racist-violent-leftists.html
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The leftist nutroots jumped the gun on the road rage/Obama bumper sticker incident yesterday. With scant evidence in sight, they pinned Harry Weisiger's motive for road rage bumper car incident on Obama hatred. They even tried to drag the Tea Party into all of it. The leftist blogosphere and accomplice-press should be ashamed.The evidence on Harry Weisiger's Obama hatred/intent is an inch deep and a mile long and a police report still hasn't surfaced.

Even more pathetic and indefensible is that leftists in the nutroots gleefully attacked a man that lost his wife to cancer only two weeks ago. Perhaps that is why they are attacking him so and even distributing his address and phone number.

Where is your shame, liberals? Answer - until proven otherwise - it is nonexistent. Anything fits into the left's twisted worldview, even using Harry Weisiger in a quest to fit their distorted anti-Tea Party meme. Based on the violent rhetoric noted in the comment section here at the Left Coast Rebel, perhaps leftists are showing their eliminationist intent. Perhaps they didn't even care that Harry Weisiger just lost his wife to cancer. This story has everything to do with a grieving and troubled man and likely nothing to do with Obama-hate.

John L said...

    Being in Nashville and having lived here most of my life, this isn't surprising. Not the road rage part, the moron seeking media attn for it. This guy has been on every news channel giving interviews and is already talking about how it is a hate crime.
    I couldn't care less what the friend says. I've seen the traffic report (yes I am an officer) and what REALLY happened was Duren sitting at a stop sign chatting with his daughter and pissing the ppl behind him off. yes, it was wrong to ram the guy. Yes, the driver needs to go to jail. But I'm sure regardless of the facts, it will be turned into a "Tea Partier goes crazy" story.







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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: zappaisgod]
    #14059097 - 03/03/11 10:18 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

You tell'em zappy!  :rockon:

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"Criminal Court Judge Leon Ruben sentenced Weisiger to serve 48 hours in jail for the DUI conviction and placed him on probation for two years, during which time he is required to undergo alcohol treatment. He is also to complete 48 hours of community service, pay a $350 fine and lose his license for a year. And Ruben ordered him to issue a written apology to Duren and his daughter."




It's only balanced and fair to hear both sides of the story.  Just because the evidence was sufficient that Weisiger was drunk and violent, we should totally cast doubt on the "innocent victims" account that the violent drunk was pissed off about a political bumper sticker.

I bet that left nutroot lefty waited all day at the stop light just trying to bait some poor hardworking guy who just lost his wife two weeks ago to cancer.  Assholes.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: MushyHobo]
    #14061834 - 03/03/11 06:09 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Oh, a blog.

That's bedrock-solid evidence, that is.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: TGRR]
    #14062904 - 03/03/11 08:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Oh let me go write some shit on a blog with whatever name I set it up with and then link it as proof.

Even my non-computing ass can figure that one out.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14063221 - 03/03/11 09:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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TGRR said:
Oh, a blog.

That's bedrock-solid evidence, that is.





I'm pretty sure you are the reigning King of the Straw Man Argument.  Maybe we should keep count?

Did he say a blog was solid evidence?  Did he profer the blog for evidentiary purposes at all?  Has anyone at all tried to use the blog for evidence?  No, No, No.

What he did do is profer the blog's argument as persuasive.  Instead of attacking that argument, you attacked the speaker- so it looks like we can chalk up an ad hominem fallacy to go along with your straw man nonsense :thumbup:


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Oh let me go write some shit on a blog with whatever name I set it up with and then link it as proof.

Even my non-computing ass can figure that one out.




Please explain how the medium was relevant?  That it was on a blog that anyone could write doesn't seem to affect the integrity of the argument to me, what justification do you have for this argument?

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: johnm214]
    #14063245 - 03/03/11 09:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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johnm214 said:


Quote:

ChelleLaBelle said:
Oh let me go write some shit on a blog with whatever name I set it up with and then link it as proof.

Even my non-computing ass can figure that one out.




Please explain how the medium was relevant?  That it was on a blog that anyone could write doesn't seem to affect the integrity of the argument to me, what justification do you have for this argument?





You honestly consider 'may as well be anonymous' blogs as resources?

My bad dude.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14063458 - 03/03/11 10:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't understand your question, or if I do, its so simplistic that I doubt it is what you were asking.  Blogs have things, and stuff with things are resources, so blogs are resources.  If you were asking something else, then please explain what.

Additionally, I note that you have not explained your criticism, at all.  I repeat my prior request.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: johnm214]
    #14063522 - 03/03/11 10:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I do not consider blogs to be good resources considering anyone can start one with any name.  Using one as a source is lazy or manipulative.  I can't decide your motive.

I sais my bad. I apologize. If y'all are cool with it then by all means. Onward....


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14063624 - 03/03/11 10:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I do not consider blogs to be good resources considering anyone can start one with any name.  Using one as a source is lazy or manipulative.





What does the fact that blogs can be started by anyone under any name have to do with the validity or lack thereof of the arguments they contain- in particular the one zappa referred to or in general?

It seems plain to me that the qualities of the source are irrelevant as to the validity of the argument: percisely why ad hominem arguments and such are regarded as fallacious.

As to my motives, this seems irrelevant for the same reasons, but since you asked: I believe the argument contained in the blog zappa cited to be entirely removed from its authorship or appellation, and was distressed to see TGGR make what appears to be another in a continuing line of fallacious dismissals of others' posts and your endorsement of the same.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: johnm214]
    #14063866 - 03/03/11 11:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
Quote:

ChelleLaBelle said:
I do not consider blogs to be good resources considering anyone can start one with any name.  Using one as a source is lazy or manipulative.





What does the fact that blogs can be started by anyone under any name have to do with the validity or lack thereof of the arguments they contain- in particular the one zappa referred to or in general?

It seems plain to me that the qualities of the source are irrelevant as to the validity of the argument: percisely why ad hominem arguments and such are regarded as fallacious.

As to my motives, this seems irrelevant for the same reasons, but since you asked: I believe the argument contained in the blog zappa cited to be entirely removed from its authorship or appellation, and was distressed to see TGGR make what appears to be another in a continuing line of fallacious dismissals of others' posts and your endorsement of the same.



While the blog does make a relevant point, it is filled with the ad hominem fallacies you seem to find so repugnant, it tries to exploit the death of the man's wife as an excuse for his behavior, and goes on to spit more ad homines and op ed style garbage.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14063897 - 03/03/11 11:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed, but the portion claiming the event was latched onto for political fodder without much substantiation of the connection or factual backing seems true to the extent I've seen. There's plenty of garbage, but that much seems true.  Certainly it is the burden of the sources claiming some relevant political connection to show it, and they seem pretty weak on that front, as the blog's argument asserts.

Either way, these antecdotal accounts are kinda dumb anyways.  That some nut believed xyz is kinda useless for anything other than prejudice formation or "gee whiz" antecdotal accounts.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: johnm214]
    #14063924 - 03/03/11 11:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That is a fair point. However, one must consider that people's opinions of the validity of a point tend to be heavily influenced by the style of argumentation the author employs.

As for anecdotal accounts, I agree.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064102 - 03/04/11 12:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Don't let these commie dems bring you down, John.  Isn't it convenient that this thread is about some commies trying to KILL an ELECTED OFFICIAL of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA but somehow you're the bad guy?!  I bet if it was a commie who was almost ASSASSINATED, we'd have a day of remembrance where my kids would have to pray to the athiest God.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064110 - 03/04/11 12:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Great point, Eagle Feather. My aborted fetus is forced to pray to the Atheist god all the time in the stem cell research lab.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064124 - 03/04/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Are you making fun of me?! I didn't RISK MY LIFE to protect YOUR freedoms just to have some commie punk make fun of me!

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064130 - 03/04/11 12:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Are you making fun of me?! I didn't RISK MY LIFE to protect YOUR freedoms just to have some commie punk make fun of me!



why would I make fun of you Screaming Meanie? You're a patriotic American, willing to put your LIFE on the LINE for the FATHERLAND. I respect that. Also, I'm not a commie, I'm an autocrat.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064172 - 03/04/11 12:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's Screaming EAGLE!  FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, EAGLE!  As in the official bird of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! But you wouldn't know that, would you, commie?!

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064825 - 03/04/11 06:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, Fleagle, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to offend. And on an unrelated note, i'm so far right I make Glenn Beck look like a commie peacenik. You should really watch who you accuse of being a commie.

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