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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14063221 - 03/03/11 09:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Oh, a blog.

That's bedrock-solid evidence, that is.





I'm pretty sure you are the reigning King of the Straw Man Argument.  Maybe we should keep count?

Did he say a blog was solid evidence?  Did he profer the blog for evidentiary purposes at all?  Has anyone at all tried to use the blog for evidence?  No, No, No.

What he did do is profer the blog's argument as persuasive.  Instead of attacking that argument, you attacked the speaker- so it looks like we can chalk up an ad hominem fallacy to go along with your straw man nonsense :thumbup:


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ChelleLaBelle said:
Oh let me go write some shit on a blog with whatever name I set it up with and then link it as proof.

Even my non-computing ass can figure that one out.




Please explain how the medium was relevant?  That it was on a blog that anyone could write doesn't seem to affect the integrity of the argument to me, what justification do you have for this argument?

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: johnm214]
    #14063245 - 03/03/11 09:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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johnm214 said:


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ChelleLaBelle said:
Oh let me go write some shit on a blog with whatever name I set it up with and then link it as proof.

Even my non-computing ass can figure that one out.




Please explain how the medium was relevant?  That it was on a blog that anyone could write doesn't seem to affect the integrity of the argument to me, what justification do you have for this argument?





You honestly consider 'may as well be anonymous' blogs as resources?

My bad dude.


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14063458 - 03/03/11 10:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I don't understand your question, or if I do, its so simplistic that I doubt it is what you were asking.  Blogs have things, and stuff with things are resources, so blogs are resources.  If you were asking something else, then please explain what.

Additionally, I note that you have not explained your criticism, at all.  I repeat my prior request.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: johnm214]
    #14063522 - 03/03/11 10:27 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I do not consider blogs to be good resources considering anyone can start one with any name.  Using one as a source is lazy or manipulative.  I can't decide your motive.

I sais my bad. I apologize. If y'all are cool with it then by all means. Onward....


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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: ChelleLaBelle]
    #14063624 - 03/03/11 10:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I do not consider blogs to be good resources considering anyone can start one with any name.  Using one as a source is lazy or manipulative.





What does the fact that blogs can be started by anyone under any name have to do with the validity or lack thereof of the arguments they contain- in particular the one zappa referred to or in general?

It seems plain to me that the qualities of the source are irrelevant as to the validity of the argument: percisely why ad hominem arguments and such are regarded as fallacious.

As to my motives, this seems irrelevant for the same reasons, but since you asked: I believe the argument contained in the blog zappa cited to be entirely removed from its authorship or appellation, and was distressed to see TGGR make what appears to be another in a continuing line of fallacious dismissals of others' posts and your endorsement of the same.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: johnm214]
    #14063866 - 03/03/11 11:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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johnm214 said:
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ChelleLaBelle said:
I do not consider blogs to be good resources considering anyone can start one with any name.  Using one as a source is lazy or manipulative.





What does the fact that blogs can be started by anyone under any name have to do with the validity or lack thereof of the arguments they contain- in particular the one zappa referred to or in general?

It seems plain to me that the qualities of the source are irrelevant as to the validity of the argument: percisely why ad hominem arguments and such are regarded as fallacious.

As to my motives, this seems irrelevant for the same reasons, but since you asked: I believe the argument contained in the blog zappa cited to be entirely removed from its authorship or appellation, and was distressed to see TGGR make what appears to be another in a continuing line of fallacious dismissals of others' posts and your endorsement of the same.



While the blog does make a relevant point, it is filled with the ad hominem fallacies you seem to find so repugnant, it tries to exploit the death of the man's wife as an excuse for his behavior, and goes on to spit more ad homines and op ed style garbage.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14063897 - 03/03/11 11:34 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Agreed, but the portion claiming the event was latched onto for political fodder without much substantiation of the connection or factual backing seems true to the extent I've seen. There's plenty of garbage, but that much seems true.  Certainly it is the burden of the sources claiming some relevant political connection to show it, and they seem pretty weak on that front, as the blog's argument asserts.

Either way, these antecdotal accounts are kinda dumb anyways.  That some nut believed xyz is kinda useless for anything other than prejudice formation or "gee whiz" antecdotal accounts.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: johnm214]
    #14063924 - 03/03/11 11:40 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

That is a fair point. However, one must consider that people's opinions of the validity of a point tend to be heavily influenced by the style of argumentation the author employs.

As for anecdotal accounts, I agree.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064102 - 03/04/11 12:15 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Don't let these commie dems bring you down, John.  Isn't it convenient that this thread is about some commies trying to KILL an ELECTED OFFICIAL of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA but somehow you're the bad guy?!  I bet if it was a commie who was almost ASSASSINATED, we'd have a day of remembrance where my kids would have to pray to the athiest God.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064110 - 03/04/11 12:17 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Great point, Eagle Feather. My aborted fetus is forced to pray to the Atheist god all the time in the stem cell research lab.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064124 - 03/04/11 12:19 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Are you making fun of me?! I didn't RISK MY LIFE to protect YOUR freedoms just to have some commie punk make fun of me!

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064130 - 03/04/11 12:21 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Screaming Eagle said:
Are you making fun of me?! I didn't RISK MY LIFE to protect YOUR freedoms just to have some commie punk make fun of me!



why would I make fun of you Screaming Meanie? You're a patriotic American, willing to put your LIFE on the LINE for the FATHERLAND. I respect that. Also, I'm not a commie, I'm an autocrat.

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: phoxyilluminata]
    #14064172 - 03/04/11 12:36 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

It's Screaming EAGLE!  FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, EAGLE!  As in the official bird of the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! But you wouldn't know that, would you, commie?!

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Re: Trying to drive someone over = Political Expression [Re: Screaming Eagle]
    #14064825 - 03/04/11 06:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, Fleagle, I'm sorry. Didn't mean to offend. And on an unrelated note, i'm so far right I make Glenn Beck look like a commie peacenik. You should really watch who you accuse of being a commie.

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