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OfflineMoMMaLoID
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What if you don't like either candidate?
    #3283515 - 10/27/04 11:20 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I feel that it's important that everyone is registered to vote, and go out to the polls and do whats right for America.

But what if you don't like Bush or Kerry?
or anybody else running for office, for that matter...

There are 2 things you can do.

1. Go to the polls and vote a third party: (Independent, Green Peace, what ever floats your boat, I would say go with one that most likely to get votes). If enough of people vote for a third party, ok maybe that person won't be president, but I think is 5%, but if 5% of register voters vote for a third party they can receive federal funding and break up the nearly 50/50 house and senate.

2. Submit a blank ballot: You can vote for no one and still vote, your choice goes down as neither. when you go to the polls and once you in there don't feel like you have to pick someone. If you want go in to the voting booth close the curtain to start voting, and open it to submit your vote without picking.

I hope everyone sees this, even if you know who you want to vote for already there are people out there still undecided, let them know that they have this as a choice.

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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: MoMMaLoID]
    #3283550 - 10/27/04 11:29 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Or just vote for Kerry so we can get Bush out. I would like to vote for a 3rd party myself, but It
A. doesnt make much of a point like I wish it did.
B. Gives Bush an edge over Kerry and I think we had enough of Bush
C.Is a waste, since there isnt a chance for a 3rd to be elected anyway.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3283580 - 10/27/04 11:41 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Vote for whoever you feel best represents your position. If that person is a third party candidate then vote for them. You aren't throwing your vote away. Instead you are making a political stand that tells the current government you're not happy with either of the two options you have been given.

I'd rather walk out of the voting booth knowing I haven't given my vote to the lesser of two evils.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: cb9fl]
    #3283622 - 10/27/04 11:57 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Thats what i was getting at, youre not really make a stand at all when youre not even required to show up and vote... in fact voting a 3rd party only goes in 1 persons favor, Bush's. A Vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Bush, especially if youre a liberal and vote for Nader.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3283679 - 10/27/04 12:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Thats what i was getting at, youre not really make a stand at all when youre not even required to show up and vote




That is precisely why you are making a stand. A person voting for a third party instead of simply not voting isn't being complacent. They are making their opinion known. By voting for Bush or Kerry you aren't seen by that platform as voting for the lesser of two evils. You are seen as supporting a specific platform.

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in fact voting a 3rd party only goes in 1 persons favor, Bush's




Economically Republicans are closer to Libertarians than Democrats. There isn't just one third party. Greens, Libertarians, Socialists and many more are all third party candidates whose position varies much more widely than Bush and Kerry's.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: cb9fl]
    #3284259 - 10/27/04 02:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Well if you don't like either candidate you can do a few things.

1)  If you despise Bush like I do, vote Kerry
2)  Look into 3rd parties and vote for your favorite
3)  Write in "candidate zero", the guy on net-zero's ad campaign :wink:

By the way I suggest you all learn up on the congressional and state elections, so that way, you can cast several informed votes next tuesday, not just one.

www.vote-smart.org is excellent for this

Yea I guess it sucks having to do "research" to make an informed decision, but to me its worth it.

EDIT:  By the way if 3rd party is your thing then generally, the smaller the scale of the election, the more likely a 3rd party is to win.  So vote em in locally.  It may not be the presidency but its a start.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3284290 - 10/27/04 02:39 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

BillytheKid said:
A Vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Bush, especially if youre a liberal and vote for Nader.




6 days to go guys.
If you don't live in OH, FA, WI, PA, NM, NJ or NV, stop using this as an excuse to pussy out of voting third party. It's bullshit.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3284321 - 10/27/04 02:44 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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BillytheKid said:
A Vote for a 3rd party is a vote for Bush, especially if youre a liberal and vote for Nader.



Your statement is unsupported by logic or facts. A vote for a third party candidate is A VOTE FOR A THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE. A vote for either Bush or Kerry is a vote saying that you support the statist quo?. Remember, Kerry (a career parasite, ah... er, 'public servant') voted FOR giving the president carte blanche to wage war in Iraq and Kerry voted FOR The Patriot Act. A vote for Kerry or for Bush is a vote for an unprincipled douche bag, a member of Skull and Bones, a person of wealth who is disconnected from the problems of the common man (rhetoric not withstanding), a continuation of the 'War on Drugs,' and a war criminal.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: Evolving]
    #3284343 - 10/27/04 02:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Please are you trying to piss off the kerry supporters here? Again more petty name calling.

He is a "self proclaimed war criminal" because he had the courage to come back to the states after vietnam and tell the american people the TRUTH about what was going on over there.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: Gijith]
    #3284350 - 10/27/04 02:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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Gijith said:

6 days to go guys.
If you don't live in OH, FA, WI, PA, NM, NJ or NV, stop using this as an excuse to pussy out of voting third party. It's bullshit.




So everyone who doesn't vote for a 3rd party is a pussy?? If thats not bullshit I don't know what is.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: oggleman]
    #3284382 - 10/27/04 02:58 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you don't have a candidate that you want to vote for, you probably shouldn't vote. I wouldn't waste my time. Voting isn't the fun part anyway. The real action is surpressing the minority vote. I go into the city polling stations wearing a police uniform. Then I start ranting about cracking down on deadbeat dads and asking for people's identification.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: oggleman]
    #3284401 - 10/27/04 03:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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oggleman said:
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Gijith said:

6 days to go guys.
If you don't live in OH, FA, WI, PA, NM, NJ or NV, stop using this as an excuse to pussy out of voting third party. It's bullshit.




So everyone who doesn't vote for a 3rd party is a pussy?? If thats not bullshit I don't know what is.




I didn't say that. Anyone who doesn't live in those states and still uses the 'a vote for third party is a vote for Bush' logic to justify their vote is a pussy. Pussy or retard. Take your pick.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: Gijith]
    #3285222 - 10/27/04 05:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

a vote for Nader is a vote for Nader, not bush or kerry. i get kinda mad when people say a vote for little party is a vote for the big party. it isnt. teh reason third parties dont get in is because we got a tone of people saying dont vote thid party your voting for bush if you do. just let people decide for themselves and dont pressure tehm into some stupid shit. if people jsut voted for who they felt could do teh better job then MAYBE this democracy will represent teh peolpe. voting 3rd party isnt to make a stand really. its to try and get them in. i wouldnt vote kerry or bush to make a stand, why would i vote socialist/green whatever to do the same. i think i made my point.

vote for who YOU want not who someone tells you to vote for. by the way its teh same in canada as teh states in that respect. always voting out parties instead of voting them in. no wonder we are so fucked.

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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: kadakuda]
    #3285417 - 10/27/04 06:29 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I don't think anyone thinks that voting for nader is the exact same as voting for bush, just nobody thinks that voting for badnarick is the exact same as voting for kerry.

But the idea is that if you vote extreme liberal (nader), you are taking your own vote away from the liberal with a shot at winning. Just like if you vote extreme conservative (badnarick) you are taking your vote away from the conservative with a shot at winning.

Also, if kerry is such a pussy then why did he put is life on the line to pursue and kill, in the line of open fire, a viet-cong who was running to a defensive position to fire a rocket launcher on american swift boats?


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: oggleman]
    #3285435 - 10/27/04 06:32 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Kerry is an extreme liberal! I would rather have Nader than Kerry. Nader ain't a bad guy, and he is no traitor.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3285489 - 10/27/04 06:43 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Wait a sec wait a sec. Kerry is an extreme liberal yet he is somehow no different than bush? Are you saying bush is an extreme liberal too? I'm confused. Either I'm really stupid or these are two conflicting arguments. I don't think I'm that stupid.

I feel that kerry is a liberal, although calling him an extreme liberal is going to depend on what your defenition of extreme is.

Furthermore to say bush and kerry are exactly the same is to say you really know nothing about these candidates. If you saw the debates, took one look at the timeline of their careers or investigated where these two stand on a large number of issues (not just the one or two you feel are important) you would see distinct differences between the two.

I'm sorry to be picky but what exactly did kerry do to become a "traitor"?


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: oggleman]
    #3285498 - 10/27/04 06:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

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oggleman said:
I'm sorry to be picky but what exactly did kerry do to become a "traitor"?



Met with the enemy in a time of war while being in the military and commiting war crimes comes to mind.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: MoMMaLoID]
    #3285526 - 10/27/04 06:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I dunno, I think Nader is actually doing a lot to hurt Bush more than people perceive. There might be people who just absolutely hate kerry and don't really care about bush, but just love nader.

It's kind of strange but many people don't really pay much attention to the issues and only care about a person's character.

Another factor is that Nader is still campaigning and is pretty much going against Bush more than he is Kerry, since Bush is the current president. His attacks are still hurting Bush, even if just a little bit.

I also think Badnarik is going to get more people that would have voted Bush, than voted Kerry.

But I do think that neither party is dominant enough to split up yet. If the democrats constantly won, by very large margins, and eventually controlled the house, senate, and executive branch, then we would see the party branch off a bit.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: z@z.com]
    #3285665 - 10/27/04 07:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

He met with VC leaders to negotiate the release of POWs, not as a communist sympathizer. Of course they are going to ask for a withdrawal of american troops before they give back our POWs, otherwise it defeats the purpose of having a POW. We ended up withdrawing our troops anyways, we didn't win that war. Maybe we should have withdrawn our troops as part of that deal instead of continuing to waste more american money and lives.

His meeting wasn't entirely secret. He returned from that trip to paris to present to congress a peace proposal from Madame Binh herself. If he brought back evidence of this "secret" meeting and presented it to congress in person he did a poor job of keeping it a secret.


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Re: What if you don't like either candidate? [Re: oggleman]
    #3286491 - 10/27/04 09:56 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

"But the idea is that if you vote extreme liberal (nader), you are taking your own vote away from the liberal with a shot at winning. Just like if you vote extreme conservative (badnarick) you are taking your vote away from the conservative with a shot at winning."

i do understand teh concept of this. however i believe teh reason they have a shot at winning is because of this concept. a vicuos circle that keeps itself true. if people didnt vote for the bigger party and voted nader/bard. (if thats who they really wanted) i think we would see a very very different senate.

my point is they do have a shot of winning if the people who believe their politics stop saying they dont. here we have a REALLY bad time with voting n parties. people are so easily swayed by the tv and saying vote lib cause ndp will get in and then come election its a land slide. and that has proven, here, to be VERY devasting to almost every aspect of our society. not hypothetical, it happened in 2000 BC provincial election. most recent and obvious one people probably know about here.

anyway i have always been a firm believer of voting or standing up for what you believe in, not the popular vote.


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