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Invisiblebf6
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Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq...
    #3283225 - 10/27/04 09:22 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

She came back for some leave and I thought I'd let you guys know what she said.

I asked her some questions but she's VERY emotionless right
now.  When she tells her stories, she doesn't express any feeling
what-so-ever. No matter how many of her friends get killed everyday she's completely stone faced.  She told me about the fact that everyone (including all of the military) is saying that the U.S. isn't doing any good over there.  That makes her a bit angry because so many people of her friends have sacrificed their lives and they are accomplishing some good over there as far as schools and wages and women's rights. However, she doesn't say much about the whole reason we went over there in the first place.  I get the feeling that she doesn't entirely agree with the timing of everything.  She also says that we have NO IDEA how bad it really is.  The media doesn't tell us everything (of course) and especially right now with the election coming up.  They are not going to let the whole story out for obvious reasons.  She does say that it is going to get ALOT worse before it gets any better.  She's scared of what's going to happen.

I'm not sure what the point of this post is now that I'
m reading it over, but I guess I just needed to vent/talk. I don't support the war and I hope to God/Allah/Source/Spirit that she comes back to us okay. Keep her and all of the innocent in Iraq in your thoughts.

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OfflineSilven
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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: bf6]
    #3283254 - 10/27/04 09:38 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I feel for our soldiers. They are bound by honor and duty to listen to what our President says for them to do, and are truly the innocents in this ordeal, along with the iraqi citizens who did not want their way of life uprooted and turned American.

Granted Saddam was no good, but who's to say that the way they live is wrong and ours is the right way? Does this sound like the way Christians act to anyone else? Our government is highly in cahoots with the church of god, and when religion and state mix nothing good can come about from it.

Also, who is to say that our President rules us any better than Saddam does? Our President is limited in his power because of how our Government was originally set up, or IMO we would probably all be working in oil fields etc for next to dirt to make Bush rich.

- Silven


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1) Scorpios are the most highly sexed of all the signs of the zodiac.
2) Scorpios are prone to excesses: booze, drugs, sex, bad puns, etc.
They usually exploit the weaknesses of others, who fall victim to
their capacity for total lust & sexual abberation.
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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: bf6]
    #3283312 - 10/27/04 10:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

DONT LET HER GO BACK! Send her to fucking Mexico or Canada until this thing blows over!


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OfflineBillytheKid
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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: Silven]
    #3283315 - 10/27/04 10:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Silven said:
I feel for our soldiers. They are bound by honor and duty to listen to what our President says for them to do, and are truly the innocents in this ordeal, along with the iraqi citizens who did not want their way of life uprooted and turned American.

Granted Saddam was no good, but who's to say that the way they live is wrong and ours is the right way? Does this sound like the way Christians act to anyone else? Our government is highly in cahoots with the church of god, and when religion and state mix nothing good can come about from it.

Also, who is to say that our President rules us any better than Saddam does? Our President is limited in his power because of how our Government was originally set up, or IMO we would probably all be working in oil fields etc for next to dirt to make Bush rich.

- Silven




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"There ought to be limits on freedom" -GWB


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3283316 - 10/27/04 10:02 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I wish.  :frown:


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OfflineBillytheKid
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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: bf6]
    #3283320 - 10/27/04 10:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Whatcha talking about you wish? Ask her what she wants to do. If she doesnt want to go back make it possible that she doesnt have to, she will likely be pardoned by the next president, they pardoned ALL the draft dodgers after Vienam because we knew it was a bullshit war, its better to be dishonorably discharged than dead isnt it? Shit BUSH went AWOL.


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OfflineSilven
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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3283363 - 10/27/04 10:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The only thing bad about going Awol right now is it's a time of war and will be considered ... shit what's the word, but basically abandoning your country in a time of war and carries with it a 20 year jail sentence :frown:

If she weren't pardoned and wanted to come back to the US, she'd have to do so as a ghost of the system.

- Silven


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1) Scorpios are the most highly sexed of all the signs of the zodiac.
2) Scorpios are prone to excesses: booze, drugs, sex, bad puns, etc.
They usually exploit the weaknesses of others, who fall victim to
their capacity for total lust & sexual abberation.
3) Scorpios possess great intellectual curiosity & creative talent. They
think they are rebels & are arrogant, proud, conceited, and worth every
penny of it.

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OfflineBillytheKid
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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: Silven]
    #3283418 - 10/27/04 10:44 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Its called AWOL or Desertion, Bush did it form his national Guard post, and i would take my chances living out of the country as a dodger than dying in a war i dont believe in. Maybe if they draft Jenna and Barbera i might go and keep them company so Bush doesnt have to worry about them, but im pretty sure they wont be seeing a war any time soon. I have friends all over the world and could make it fine without the US, my friend in Japan is trying ot get me to move there to teach english and stay with him. All i am saying is... being a deserter is better than being dead with honor. Thats for goddamned sure. Read the book Johnny got his gun, what good is dying for freedom if you dont get to enjoy it? Especially since this war isnt about freedom, its about money, money for Bush and money for his friends. Who wants to die for that? I am willing to help ANY i mean this ANY and ALL soldiers who are enlisted to get out of the country as quickly and safely as possible... We shouldnt bare the blood price for Bush's war, hes a piece of human waste. Also All the people who left the country for Vietnam were pardoned by the next president, the same would happen here. Especially if there is a draft.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3283428 - 10/27/04 10:48 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I myself am I soldier in the US Army... Not exactly infantry, I am 25R and haven't completed AIT yet.

I am sure if I find myself in Iraq after nov.2, I will be a very disgruntled person. We need take that madman out of office.

Anybody who votes for Bush is throwing their friends and family in harms way. Literally.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: vc77]
    #3283457 - 10/27/04 11:04 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

hey bf6 i will pray for her..............may god be with her.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: vc77]
    #3283461 - 10/27/04 11:05 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If she doesn't want to go back, help her run. Joining the armed forces takes a whole new meaning when there is a war on. Soldiers are expected to do what they are told. I could not shoot someone who i don't beleive is in the wrong. Or rather, i would not put myself in a position where i may be asked to do so.

There is nothing cowardly about running from this war. It is wrong - period.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: Biohazard81]
    #3283486 - 10/27/04 11:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think i am fully capible of killing other people if i was in that situation where it was either me or them, wether i am right or wrong is irrelevant.. however i agree that its not cowardly t run from this war for the soldiers because this is an un-just war... its not like WW2 where we were attacked and Hitler had plans to invade us, this is nation building and empire buildint at its worst, we are the new British Empire.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: vc77]
    #3283488 - 10/27/04 11:13 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I agree, if you need help getting out of the country if youre activated into the war email me i migh have friends near you who can get you out of the country safely.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3284053 - 10/27/04 01:48 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm so sick of this war. Bush wanting to show daddy how much like him he is... I think if I was drafted for this conflict I would leave the country. I almost joined the marines after hs to pay for college, but when I thought about how I felt about GW being in office, the mideast and all the other bullshit going on the world I am soooo happy. My ass would be in Iraq or Afghanistan (sp?) and i would not be pleased. In the past 4 years I have started college, grown into an adult, started smoking mj, experienced mushrooms a number of times and I can honetly say I wouldnt be the person today that I am if I had joined the military. I support all the troops in these wars because they are our brothers and sisters... but I do not support Bush or many actions of the federal government.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: pacopaco]
    #3284072 - 10/27/04 01:54 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Im happy for your decision to not join and end up in Iraq, unfortunatly i have 3 very close friends who are there now... we all grad HS in 2000, so Clinton was still the pres and that election was in November so they didnt really know what would happen...


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: BillytheKid]
    #3284140 - 10/27/04 02:10 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:frown:  The whole thing is heartbreaking.  It is horrible for everyone involved.  My love goes out to her and everyone else in that country. :frown:


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: pacopaco]
    #3284195 - 10/27/04 02:24 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I was in the Marine Corps from 99' to 03' and yes I was also in Iraq for some of that time as well. I don't really know why I'm replying to this thread other than to clear up some possible misconceptions. Biohazard81 posted, "I could not shoot someone who I don't believe is in the wrong". Just to be clear here, the US Armed Forces are not there to shoot people and as a member you are NEVER asked to shoot someone who is not actively shooting at you or another US Armed Forces service member FIRST.

As for the big picture of the war, I have no comment. As for a soldier's view... You are there to help the people of Iraq. Saddam was without a doubt a madman. He had torture chambers! His sons were even worse. They would send thier militia out to snatch pretty young girls to bring back to the palace so they could rape them. The people of Iraq lived in fear of thier 'government', and I use that term loosely.

But they are people, nonetheless. People just like you and me. The innocents there welcome our presence with open arms. The ones that are resisting and fighting us are the powermongers who seek to control (at least some part) of Iraq or a certain city in Iraq now that Saddam is no longer in power. If the US succeeds and establishes a strong democratic government by the people and FOR the people of Iraq, then these powerhungry 'clan-leaders' will lose thier chance to establish thier own form of rule and control.

Under the new government the people of Iraq will still retain all of thier current culture, values, and religions. Nobody is trying to change that. Now, despite what Bush's overall motives for being in Iraq are (some speculate it's for his own financial gain), the Iraqi people are still being helped. This I assure you. It may surprise you to know that quite a lot of them speak english and I have spoken with many of them while standing post at the gates where I was stationed while there. The majority of them are happy we are there. They come by and thank you all the time for your help. Others are not so open and I suspect it is fear of the unknown and doubt that keeps them from allowing themselves to believe that things will be any better. They have hurt and been mistreated by those in power for so long that it is now hard for them to accept that the US form of government is any different.

As for your sister-in-law, I pray she returns to you safely. We are all faced with difficult choices at times in our lives and I know what she's going through. The decisions she makes are her own and I would never judge anyone for what they do when faced with the trials of war. I just hope that she can be at peace in whatever decisions she makes. Just remember; everything you have ever done was inevitable. It couldnt have happened any other way. Otherwise it wouldnt have happened. Such is the nature of inevitability. In other words, no regrets.

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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: Redlined_Mind]
    #3284300 - 10/27/04 02:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

you're a parrot, blindfolded by the flag.

not all iraqis are "welcoming our presence with open arms" as you say. they have a culture that is completely different from ours, has been around for thousands of years, and is much more complex. you can't just bring your army halfway across the world and try to change the way they run things.

from what i've heard most civilians in iraq aren't really too happy about us being there. but whatever, it's all heresay anyways.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: Redlined_Mind]
    #3284303 - 10/27/04 02:41 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Redlined_Mind said:
I was in the Marine Corps from 99' to 03' and yes I was also in Iraq for some of that time as well. I don't really know why I'm replying to this thread other than to clear up some possible misconceptions. Biohazard81 posted, "I could not shoot someone who I don't believe is in the wrong". Just to be clear here, the US Armed Forces are not there to shoot people and as a member you are NEVER asked to shoot someone who is not actively shooting at you or another US Armed Forces service member FIRST.

As for the big picture of the war, I have no comment. As for a soldier's view... You are there to help the people of Iraq. Saddam was without a doubt a madman. He had torture chambers! His sons were even worse. They would send thier militia out to snatch pretty young girls to bring back to the palace so they could rape them. The people of Iraq lived in fear of thier 'government', and I use that term loosely.

But they are people, nonetheless. People just like you and me. The innocents there welcome our presence with open arms. The ones that are resisting and fighting us are the powermongers who seek to control (at least some part) of Iraq or a certain city in Iraq now that Saddam is no longer in power. If the US succeeds and establishes a strong democratic government by the people and FOR the people of Iraq, then these powerhungry 'clan-leaders' will lose thier chance to establish thier own form of rule and control.

Under the new government the people of Iraq will still retain all of thier current culture, values, and religions. Nobody is trying to change that. Now, despite what Bush's overall motives for being in Iraq are (some speculate it's for his own financial gain), the Iraqi people are still being helped. This I assure you. It may surprise you to know that quite a lot of them speak english and I have spoken with many of them while standing post at the gates where I was stationed while there. The majority of them are happy we are there. They come by and thank you all the time for your help. Others are not so open and I suspect it is fear of the unknown and doubt that keeps them from allowing themselves to believe that things will be any better. They have hurt and been mistreated by those in power for so long that it is now hard for them to accept that the US form of government is any different.

As for your sister-in-law, I pray she returns to you safely. We are all faced with difficult choices at times in our lives and I know what she's going through. The decisions she makes are her own and I would never judge anyone for what they do when faced with the trials of war. I just hope that she can be at peace in whatever decisions she makes. Just remember; everything you have ever done was inevitable. It couldnt have happened any other way. Otherwise it wouldnt have happened. Such is the nature of inevitability. In other words, no regrets.

Freedom isn't free.




No offense but i know other soldiers there now who disagree with you wholeheartedly about being welcomed by the innocents with open arms. In fact it was the "inocents" who started killing americans and had no affiliation with the Baathists or Terrorists. Nothing like seeing a bomb rip apart your children to make you want to kill an american who is there to "help" you especially after one of thier bombs killed your family.


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Re: Well my sister-in-law came back from Iraq... [Re: fung_us_among_us]
    #3284306 - 10/27/04 02:42 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

fung_us_among_us said:
you're a parrot, blindfolded by the flag.

not all iraqis are "welcoming our presence with open arms" as you say. they have a culture that is completely different from ours, has been around for thousands of years, and is much more complex. you can't just bring your army halfway across the world and try to change the way they run things.

from what i've heard most civilians in iraq aren't really too happy about us being there. but whatever, it's all heresay anyways.




There is no reason to name call, you should respect his service regardless of his opinion. He has a view, i dont agree with it and i know other soldiers who dont as well.


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