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OfflineJust a Punk
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THC Crystals
    #328176 - 05/29/01 04:20 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

What I like to do is stick ~5 grams of bud in my coffee grinder and grind it up nice and fine. I then roll and roll and roll. But my favorite part is getting the THC crystals that accumulate on the coffee grinder lid. I usually only need a couple tokes of crystals to get pretty fried.

But then I got to thinking. What if you snort these crystals? Does it work? Has anyone tried this? Does it hurt? Is it even worth it?

I would try it but I'm afraid of wasting a few hotknives worth of good THC.

Comments?

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Just a Punk]
    #328193 - 05/29/01 04:35 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

No, it wouldn't work. THC needs to be heat activated to make it into the form that would get you high. Possibly holding a lighter up to the crystals for a few seconds and then snorting it would work, but it may not be effective. I'd just stick with the hot knives.

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: PotSmokinHippie]
    #328197 - 05/29/01 04:39 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

You're right, I didn't consider the heat factor. I don't think I'll bet trying to hold a lighter up to them and then snorthing them though. I like my nose uncauterized. ;)

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: PotSmokinHippie]
    #328383 - 05/29/01 08:29 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

where ever you heard that thc needs to heated for it to be activated is false, im sure that you could probably get high from snorting the crystals but why??? just smoke it or eat it!!! if you deicde to snort them you should try plugging next!! lol



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: PotSmokinHippie]
    #328848 - 05/29/01 11:32 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Heat activated? Nooooo, you can eat raw weed and get high and there is no heat activation there....

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: egolesss]
    #329022 - 05/30/01 02:56 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

eating raw weed won't do much, if anything at all.

weed has to be cooked with fat so the THC sticks to the fat.
hence the name cannaBUTTER. :)

I just have to get all this misinformation straight. or correct me if I am wrong.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: GroYourOwn]
    #329247 - 05/30/01 06:50 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I'll correct you then. Granted you wouldn't be able to cold smoke marijuana, because the THC would not vaporize. Cannabutter is a different story. The reason you heat weed in making cannabutter is to release canaboids into the butter, you then strain the weed out and throw it away leaving the THC content in the butter. You don't chemically create THC by adding a fat and a heat, the THC is in the marijuana whether raw or heated......

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: GroYourOwn]
    #329314 - 05/30/01 08:20 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

why is it that so many people believe this "heat activated" bullshit?! If you don't believe that raw buds can get you high. Eat about five grams of decent quality buds and wait for at least three hours. You will get high! Stop spreading this bullshit like you know what you are talking about! And I'm pretty sure snorting THC crystals will not work. I'm not sure why but I'm quite sure it has nothing to do with heat.

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Floydian]
    #329319 - 05/30/01 08:29 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

you definately need heat to activate THC, i'm not sure if body heat will do it tho. Since so many people have said that they have gotten high by eating raw bud, i guess body heat just might do the trick.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Just a Punk]
    #329323 - 05/30/01 08:32 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

its not pure THC that you get off the lid of your bud grinder, its pure tricomes. these contain chemicals other than THC(but THC is the major component). if you want to extract nearly pure THC soak the crystals in ethanol, strain and evaporate.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: narc monkey]
    #329330 - 05/30/01 08:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

for once and all, YOU DO NOT NEED TO HEAT THC TO ACTIVATE IT!!!! anyone who believes different is stupid!!!!

Edited by OuterSpace on 05/30/01 01:40 AM.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Floydian]
    #329341 - 05/30/01 08:56 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I have been under the impression that you had to activate the cannabanoids using heat, because that's what I've always read from Lycaeum and Erowid, here's just one excerpt.

Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: FAQ-Mj-consumption
Author: rml3362@rigel.tamu.edu
Last Update: 6 Jun 91 19:30:02 GMT

This paper is an exposition on the consumption of marijuana for its psychoactive effects. Covered will be the two primary methods used in America today, smoking and eating/drinking, with smoking being the more common method. There are a whole lot of lies, half-truths, myths, and supposition about the consumption of marijuana this is an attempt to clear things up as much as possible.

Smoking


Smoking is the quickest but least efficient method of ingesting marijuana and experiencing its effects. Marijuana smoke contains a number of carcinogens, many of which can be removed if the smoke is filtered through a water bong but it will still contains some carcinogens and can be an irritant. Studies have shown THC has a bronchiodialator effect, which may be effective in purging the particulates from the lungs.

Joints

Joints, marijuana cigarettes, are the perennial favorite of many people. They are "shake", marijuana which has had the stems and seeds removed, which is inside a fold of rice paper and then rolled into a cylinder. This is the singularly most portable method to smoke grass once the joint has been rolled.

When a joint has been smoked down to the point that it is difficult to hold it is called a "roach" and wide variety of paraphernalia exists which are designed to hold the roach without burning oneself. Collectively known as "roach clips" they include tweezers, alligator clips, forceps, needle nose pliers, and ceramic pieces with holes through them. There are a number of devices available to facilitate rolling a joint. Absolutely essential is a cleaning tray to remove the stems and seeds from the lose marijuana. There are a number of papers available with which to roll ones joint, varying in color, pattern, size, and presence of gummed edges. There are rolling "machines" which make the process of rolling a joint much less ticklish, but with practice and skill at rolling joints these tend to hinder more than help. One of the more intriguing techniques of smoking a joint is taking what is known as a powerhit. This is accomplished by having an accomplice surround the burning end of the joint with their mouth, taking care not to allow their skin to come into contact with the glowing end, and blowing while one takes a hit from the other end. This can be somewhat dicey, but is one of the more intimate ways of sharing a joint.

Etiquette requires one to pass the joint in a circular fashion through those present. No one is required to take a toke if they do not care to, but they are expected to pass it on if it comes to them. "Bogartting", hoarding the joint when it comes to you, is a SERIOUS breach of protocol. People too stoned to smoke the joint let alone pass it are expected to be skipped over and a joint can (politely) be removed from someone if they do not seem to be sharing the consensus reality.

Bongs


Bongs, or water pipes if you are in a head shop, pass the smoke through water to cool and filter it. Grass is put into a bowl on the end of a tube whose other end is in a sealed container partially filled with water. The end of the bowl's tube is below the level of the water so that as the smoke exits the pipe it is bubble through a layer of water. The air pressure in the chamber is lowered by breathing through another tube that stays above the water level in the chamber. When the air pressure inside the chamber is lowered, air from outside the chamber passes through the bowl and its tube and bubbles through the water.

Bongs are not particularly portable, as they tend to be awkward, delicate, and heavy. Sizes range from the size of a small pill container to eight foot tall escapees from a mad scientist laboratory. Principally made from glass, plastic, ceramic, and metal they can be an art form unto themselves.

The principal benefit of smoking grass through a bong is that the smoke is cooled and several carcinogens are removed without removing the active ingredients. One can put any number of liquids in the chamber to filter the smoke, and beer or other forms of alcohol are often used, but this is not recommended. The active ingredients in marijuana are fat and alcohol soluble and when filtered through such substances the active ingredients go into solution. In addition the carcinogens in marijuana smoke are water soluble so that when smoke passes through some liquid other than water one loses active ingredients and gains carcinogens in the smoke entering your lungs. One method recommended is to put ice water in the chamber, the cooled water is not quite as effective at removing the carcinogens but the additional cooling is favored among smokers.

Carburetors are small openings in the chamber that are covered during the hit and towards the end opened to allow all the smoke to escape the chamber. Occasionally one finds a bong designed so that carboration is accomplished by lifting the bowl slightly and allowing the air to enter the bowl tube.

Pipes


Pipes are the simplest devices used to smoke marijuana. For the most part they are similar to pipes used to smoke tobacco but marijuana pipes should be made of heat resistant materials such as stone, ivory, metal, glass, and occasionally harder woods. Grass does not tend to stay lit in pipe so flame constantly has to be applied to bowl which heats it up more than pipes with tobacco in them typically are heated. A common variant of pipe is the stash pipe, a pipe where one may store a small amount of grass. Some stash pipes are constructed in such a manner that the the smoke passes through the stash area so that the grass inside is bathed in the smoke and acquires a coating of resin which contains THC thus making it more potent when it is turn is smoked. There are glass hash pipes which are used to smoke hashish and hashish oil, the materiel is placed in the bowl as with other pipes but instead of heat being applied to the top of the substance it is applied to the bottom of the pipe.

One-hits


One-hits, or dugouts as they are sometimes called, are a highly portable method of smoking grass for someone who does not want to smoke an entire joint at one time. A one-hit is a small metal tube that has a small cavity at one end and a mouthpiece at the other. One presses the cavity into a small container of cleaned grass to fill it and then is lit somewhat like a cigarette and inhaled steadily until the grass is gone. One only gets one inhalation or "hit" per filling thus it is called a one hit. A dugout is small wooden container which has a space for the cleaned grass and another space for the one-hit itself.

Gas Pipes


Gas Pipes are open ended tubes with a small bowl mounted near one end perpendicular to the main axis of the tube. The end near the bowl is covered with your hand and the smoke is drawn into the tube until the bowl is burned out then the hand is removed and all the smoke in the tube rushes into your lungs. These are usually made from glass, though occasionally one will find plastic pipes.

Gravity Bongs


Gravity bongs are more a style of smoking than a particular apparatus for the consumption of marijuana. With a gravity bong one uses water pressure to create the vacuum in a chamber rather then one's lungs as with water pipes and gas pipes. A gravity bong is made by placing a cylinder that is open at one and and closed except for a place for a bowl at the other. The open end is placed in a large container of water until the chamber of the cylinder is filled with water. The filled bowl is then attached and a flame is applied to the marijuana in it. The cylinder is lifted slowly up. As the cylinder is lifted up the water trapped inside will seek to escape out the open end into the container due to the force of gravity. This creates a vacuum at the top of the chamber near the bowl, this vacuum sucks the smoke from the burning marijuana into the chamber replacing the water. A tube may reach from the bowl to near the base of the cylinder making it a true bong or the end may not actually enter the water so that is is similar to a gas pipe. after the material in the bowl has been burned and the smoke has filled the chamber the bowl is removed and the cylinder is pushed back down into the container. As the water re-enter the chamber it forces the smoke out where and hopefully into an expectant individual. This is the most common form of a water bong but any number of similar schemes exist which can use the vacuum created by the exiting water to draw the smoke, and then use that water again to force it out of the chamber.

Tilt Pipes


Tilt pipes are pipes which have a heating element built into the pipe at the bowl, the element heats the marijuana to sub-flammable temperature but which will activate and release the cannabanoids, or active ingredients, from the plant material. Most smoking accessories apply an external flame to the marijuana which vaporizes and breaks down many cannabanoids before they can be consumed, thus wasting a portion of the active ingredients in the marijuana. These device tend to be very rare usually only found among connoisseurs. They are called tilt pipes because one tilts the pipe to bring the marijuana into contact with the heating element.

Eating & Drinking
The active ingredients in cannabis are fat and alcohol soluble so they can be extracted and added to foodstuff entering the system through the digestive tract rather than through the lungs. This type of consumption of marijuana tend to be both slower and more efficient than smoking it. Further the noxious effects of consuming heated smoke are completely eliminated. For these reasons this is the favored method of marijuana consumption by many people.

Eating


Marijuana must be heated before being consumed to activate the cannabanoids so one cannot simply eat raw grass. The traditional method of eating it is to cook it in a brownie, especially when it is in the form of hashish, though it can be used in any number of things. The recommended method of eating marijuana is to saute it in butter or margarine over medium heat, then to strain the remaining solids out and use the butter to cook with. One can use this marijuana butter to make brownies, cook vegetables, or however else one might use butter to cook with, one can even spread it on a slice of bread. Many people will mix the the residual solids in with whatever they are cooking in hopes of making use of whatever cannabanoids might still be in them, but if done properly this in not generally valuable. A typical ratio for making the marijuana butter is one stick of butter to one eight of an ounce of marijuana, and headed for fifteen to twenty minutes.

Drinking


One may extract the active ingredients from marijuana using alcohol and then use this tincture to make a potent drink. The highest proof alcohol available should be used, preferably 190 proof grain alcohol, since the water in the alcohol will dissolve other chemicals in the marijuana that one wishes to avoid. Some suggest soaking the grass in warm water for a period to remove those chemicals but that presents a whole host of other and is not really recommended. One may simply place the marijuana into a bottle of grain alcohol and let the canabanoids leach out, but this takes 2-3 weeks of time. A faster method is to heat the alcohol to sub-boiling and stir in the marijuana. Great deal of care should be taken if this method is chosen as the alcohol is highly flammable. The resulting tincture, often called "Green Dragon", is a light to emerald green liquid, which can be drunk straight, but this is not recommended. Highly lauded is a drink of 3 parts lemon lime soda, 1 part green dragon and a dollop of honey served over ice.

-Michael
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Re: THC Crystals [Re: OuterSpace]
    #330008 - 05/31/01 04:04 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

i think most are just afriad to eat raw bud cause they think nothing will come of it. So few ever try eating it, even though it works.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: narc monkey]
    #330013 - 05/31/01 04:10 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

what about resin? I sure he would get a nice amount





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Re: THC Crystals [Re: hubertd8]
    #330026 - 05/31/01 04:21 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

i wanna try a tilt pipe, that sounds pretty cool -- anybody know some places online that sell them?

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Just a Punk]
    #330353 - 05/31/01 11:37 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Whoever said that you would probably get high from snorting glandular trichomes does not know what they are talking about. They obviously don't understand the path that drugs like cocaine take when snorted. The answer is no, nothing will happen from snorting resin glands.

thc is in the form of thc-acid and need to be decarboxylated inorder to become thc which is many times more active. heat is one way of decarboxylating thc-acid. i have eaten raw bud and it doesn't work. you can eat hashish straight because the thc-acid has already ben decarboxylated in the process of manufacturing the hashish. the resin glands are heated so that the resin within flows together and then the resin is pressed under great pressure. that is the reason hashish can be eaten straight. marijuana needs to be cooked. when making cannabutter the hot water releases the essential oils, cannabinoids and terpenoids and also decarboylates the thc-acid. the thc binds with the fat in the butter.

outerspace YOU ARE THE STUPID one you do not know what youa re talkign about and you are just trying to look smart. If you want to look smart than read rob clarkes new book, "HASHISH!" so you actually know what you are talking about.

narc_monkey give us a break, dude hashish is already concentrated there is no reason to do a crude extract.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Floydian]
    #330355 - 05/31/01 11:43 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

you are right flodyian it will not work and it doesn't have anything to do with heat, but heat is necessary to decarboxylate thc-acid and tranform it into the much more potent thc form if the marijuana is going to be eaten. five grams of decent weed could get five people high if prepared right! your own foolishness has discredited your argument, sure eating five grams of raw weed will work, but you could have cooked it and eaten much less to get the same effects.

Edited by holographic mind on 05/31/01 04:45 AM.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #330377 - 05/31/01 12:26 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

lol i like the word decarboxylated its funny lol sorry i drank a little tonight it just seems funny

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #330643 - 05/31/01 08:49 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

holographic mind your posts contradict one another.....
First post- you state you have eaten raw weed and it doesn't work.
Second post- says, sure if you eat raw weed you will get high, but you need less if it's cooked.
So whats your stance?

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: egolesss]
    #330794 - 06/01/01 12:17 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Its very hard to metabolize. Sure eating a bunch of raw buds MAY get you high (depending on your digestive powers) but its an absolute waste of buds.

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: egolesss]
    #330813 - 06/01/01 12:38 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

My posts do not contradict each other. I meant "I have eaten raw weed and it DIDN'T work." THC-acid is much less active than THC because it is not absorbed as fast. If you eat enough raw weed it will work, but you have to eat significantly less "cooked" weed to achieve the same effects.

Example; cannabutter made from ten grams of kind used to make brownies. the brownies are divided into ten equal size pieces. hypothetically each brownie is equivalent to a gram of weed. Eating just one of these brownies would be equivelant to eating 5-10 grams of raw weed IF NOT MORE.

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #331150 - 06/01/01 07:32 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Yes, I agree completely holographic mind. The times in which I have eaten raw buds have only been out of the need to conceal evidence. I would have much rather made some butter or smoked those buds and gotten much higher off of them. I was just trying to dispell the believe that eating raw buds doesn't work at all. It does work but you would be a fool to waste buds by eating them raw to get high.

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #331157 - 06/01/01 07:40 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

I'm not admitting to being wrong, raw weed will get you high, one favorite recipe is to remove stems, chop weed very fine and whip it into 3/4 peanut butter and 1/4 jelly mixture...spead on bread.....I agree buttter works very, very good, but nice kind has a wonderful taste and butter gets nausiating after awhile........

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: egolesss]
    #331208 - 06/01/01 08:42 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

dude egoless spreading cannabutter on toast is not a great way to consume it, using the green butter to cook with is the way to go. i can understand getting sick of eating butter but only a dumb ass would eat butter straight. also eating raw buds does not taste good it taste bitter and nasty.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #332004 - 06/02/01 07:39 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Are you like the shroomeries version of Rainman? I didn't mean eat staight butter...LOL.........

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #332084 - 06/02/01 09:45 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

Man, holographic mind, you're a weird guy. Thinking your opinions rule over everyone else's, or something. "Weed doesn't taste good, it tastes bitter and nasty"
Too bad for you. Myself and many others happen to enjoy its awesome taste.

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #332181 - 06/02/01 01:14 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

just because YOU didn't get high from eating raw bud, doesn't mean other people haven't, YOU does not hold true for EVERYONE, and myself eating raw DOES get ME high, and for the comment snorting the trichom., trichrom. are eseentially blond hash (keefe), and if you snorted them, i understand that the thc would not directly absorb through your mucus membrane, but where would the trichrom. eventually end up (assuming you don't blow your nose), it would combine with you mucus and drain into your stomach where it would be absorb and get you high! i never said it was the most effecient why of ingesting thc and it would take alot but it would probably work, and like i said in my first post WHY, when you can just smoke it!! about your theory on extarcting it with cannabutter and potency is increased 500-1000%, i've never heard of that in all my reading and it sounds like BS!

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: OuterSpace]
    #332252 - 06/02/01 05:59 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

"about your theory on extarcting it with cannabutter and potency is increased 500-1000%, i've never heard of that in all my reading and it sounds like BS!"

It is not a theory it is actual fact. I said 5-10 times more potent and I will explain why. Heat decarboxylate cannabinoids. You didn't brother trying to comprehend what I was saying. Or maybe you were unable to understand what I was saying because of all of the multi-syllable words used. Either way it is factual. Cannabinoids in their acid form are inactive. The major percentage of cannabinoids in a given sample of grass are in acid-form. 4/5 to 9/10 of cannabinoids are in acid-form. The process of making "cannabutter" renders these cannabinoids from acid-to-neutral. This is also decarboxylation. Cannabutter is made by combining finely ground cannabis with butter in a pot of boiling water. The heat of the boiling water is what decarboxylates the cannabinoids and the fat in the butter absorbs them. Since, as I have already mentioned, 4/5-to-9/10 of overall cannabinoids contained within a given sample of properly handled cannabis are in acid-form, "cooked" cannabis is 5-10 times as potent as raw cannabis.

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #333592 - 06/04/01 08:19 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

So, does this confirm the rainman thing?

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Brugman]
    #333817 - 06/04/01 02:57 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

"Man, holographic mind, you're a weird guy. Thinking your opinions rule over everyone else's, or something. "Weed doesn't taste good, it tastes bitter and nasty"
Too bad for you. Myself and many others happen to enjoy its awesome taste.

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I think you need to socialize more, maybe then it will be easier for you to udnerstand how people talk. If i was hanging out with egoless and he said, "i like the taste of weed it is good" and i said, "egoless no it is not. it is bitter and nasty" would I have to say, "in my opinion it is bitter and nasty" or do you think egoless would understand that I am an individual and I have my own opinions?



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: holographic mind]
    #334586 - 06/05/01 07:04 AM (21 years, 4 months ago)

holo, if we were hanging out, getting stoned and that conversation took place it would be freak'in hilarious.............

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Re: THC Crystals [Re: egolesss]
    #334941 - 06/05/01 03:34 PM (21 years, 4 months ago)

EgOlEsS don't be a queer.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: narc monkey]
    #338673 - 06/12/01 06:54 AM (21 years, 3 months ago)

actually THC in raw form would be an oil, it would have to be refined down to atleast one cannibanoid say Delta-9-THC and then reacted to form a salt either a HCL or SO4 salt to even get a crystal. Cannabutter is made because eating raw weed wouldn' do much since our stomachs are not as capable as others at breaking down the weed and getting THC out of it, so you'll feel something but not much, now if you're dog eats your stash, he's getting high, his stomach can more effectively process the raw matter and get THC out of it.



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Re: THC Crystals [Re: GroYourOwn]
    #12735074 - 06/13/10 05:57 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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eating raw weed won't do much, if anything at all.




Not so. First time I tried it was some 25 years ago, and it wrecked me. :laugh:


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: rh2000]
    #12735105 - 06/13/10 06:07 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

this may be unrelated to the thread but i think you can get the pure thc crystals from freezing leaves and buds in the freezer, and then once frozen rolling them over a silk screen so that all the crystals fall off, i think its how they make hash apparently.


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #12735264 - 06/13/10 07:03 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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this may be unrelated to the thread but i think you can get the pure thc crystals from freezing leaves and buds in the freezer, and then once frozen rolling them over a silk screen so that all the crystals fall off, i think its how they make hash apparently.




most people use bubble bags instead of a screen but yeah you got the right idea.

you can also use the trash air buds and trim to make edibles.


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Dosile Kouki]
    #12735269 - 06/13/10 07:08 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

This is very interesting because I am also under the impression THC and other cannabinoids must be heated in order to be active! I suppose this does not need to be done. I have never eaten large quantities of pure dried marijuana, once I chewed down about half a dub, but it did nothing.
    I don't know much about the chemical world regarding marijuana, but I do know a snippit  of information that might help the discussion.
    When researching cannabis, I came to find that the reason THC is on the plant in the first place is as a defense mechanism against other organisms that might attack it (bugs and such). I suppose the insects will rub up against the plant, coming in contact with the THC, and then disperse. To me this means that the THC IS active in its raw form, because it does something to these insects to detract them. Of course, these insects are millions of times smaller than us, and also are very different creatures in all aspects! To them the THC probably causes disorientation and confusion, whereas to us, big, intelligent, humans, (not being egotistical), we simply feel the effects as calming and relaxing, although sometimes we do get a little confused or even anxiety from it too!! Could this be why? All in the nature of it? I believe so. This chemical, which is probably nearly toxic to these smaller creatures is not much on us.
  Therefore I believe you can get high from eating pure bud, but you would have to eat a ton of it to feel the effects. I suppose heating it might just make it a lot more active, plus taking it into the lungs allows it to hit the bloodstream a lot faster. It's all in the nature of it!


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: emeraldlife88]
    #12738899 - 06/14/10 06:48 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

you can definately get high from eating marijuanna, thats how hash cookies and cakes with bud in them work. ive been high of eating weed b4 too, i ate 2 grams one time and was sort of a mellowy high but lasted for 2 days.

smoking gets u higher faster because it is absorbed straight into the blood stream from the lungs, it doesnt require heat for the drug to be active but its just quicker in getting into the blood stream when heat is applied a.k.a. smoked.


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: rh2000]
    #12739231 - 06/14/10 08:06 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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eating raw weed won't do much, if anything at all.




Not so. First time I tried it was some 25 years ago, and it wrecked me. :laugh:



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I don't think he'll see your reply.


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: Just a Punk]
    #18440910 - 06/19/13 01:37 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

It's not heat activated. It has to do with water content in the plant material...


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Decarboxylation is just a step of the natural aging process...


The instant it's reasonably smoking-dry, your material is slowly decarbing, it is aging, first producing active THC, CBD, CBC,
and finally, it will produce the weaker and non-potent byproducts of degraded cannabinoids.

We use gentle heat, to speed up the natural process, but other means of dehydration can be used, such as freeze-drying.


The below are the first steps of the natural aging process, it doesn't happen all at once, but slowly, while the earliest cannabinoids
to become active, begin to degrade:



And the products of degradation (this can happen at room temp over the course of several months, or much more rapidly if:
too much dry heat is used during the decarb, or you fall asleep and forget your oil in the oven overnight!):







Some folks decarb using dry ice, and industrial freezers that reach sub-zero temps.


When hash has been sifted using dry ice, usually, you need to decarb much more briefly.


It takes up to several weeks with low humidity (depending how low) to decarb material in an average room, in the open air,
and during that time previously active material is subject to degradation.
But without utilizing liquid chromatography, you won't know whether it's finished on day 10 or day 30.


This is why we use gentle heat, industrial freezers, and low-temp dehydrators to initiate and almost-complete the decarb:
it creates a much smaller window, which improves your chances (without any available testing equipment) of decarbing
adequately, and any additional activation necessary, can occur much more gradually during the glandular breakdown while
somewhat protected in oil. :smile:


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: s240779]
    #18440914 - 06/19/13 01:42 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Fat soluable. Not much else I have to say..


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: MusicTurtle]
    #18440938 - 06/19/13 01:57 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah. Cannabinoids aren't crystals. They're oils. The only description I was able to find for a cannabinoid is that of dronabinol, which is a slight modification of THC. Look: "Dronabinol is a light yellow resinous oil that is sticky at room temperature and hardens upon refrigeration." (http://www.rxlist.com/marinol-drug.htm)


You might be able to snort an extract of weed by creating a microemulsion. Refer to literature such as this: Formulating Poorly Water Soluble Drugs. 2012, Robert O. Williams III, Alan B. Watts, Dave A Miller


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: s240779]
    #18443217 - 06/20/13 01:11 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

You are capable of separating CBD from it and freeze drying it into chrystal like things


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: MusicTurtle]
    #18443273 - 06/20/13 01:23 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Next is intramuscular injection


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: hgmstl]
    #18443307 - 06/20/13 01:30 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Freaking IMing with cannabis is crazy and not worth it. Possible or not, it is a waste of good grass..


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: hgmstl]
    #18443335 - 06/20/13 01:36 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Wow 12 year Resurrection, musta burned some spell levels on that!

As said, THC is an oil.  With the right expensive equipment you could turn it into an Acetyl-salt which would then crystalize and would be heavily water soluble not fat soluble.  Anything that's a crystal is most likely THC locked up in another substance, or not THC.


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: StygianKnight]
    #18443425 - 06/20/13 01:57 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

For intravenous administration in the research setting there are two options: chemical modification, which is what StygianKnight is speaking of; and solubilization, which is a much simpler process and does not modify the THC molecule. Below are three journal articles. The first two talk about solubilizing cannabinoids for IV use and the third one talks about chemically modifying THC for IV use.


Intravenous injection in man of THC and 11-OH-THC


Development and pharmacokinetic characterization of pulmonal and intravenous THC in humans


[Thanks to 420Experience: Journal/ Academic Paper/ other authority request thread]


Pharmacological Characterization of Novel Water-Soluble Cannabinoids


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    #18449420 - 06/21/13 06:14 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Edit: oops sorry


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: hgmstl]
    #18449605 - 06/21/13 06:56 AM (9 years, 3 months ago)

de-carboxilate the weed before you grind it then snort it and it should work


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    #18505900 - 07/03/13 04:25 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

Hmm


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    #18506081 - 07/03/13 05:49 PM (9 years, 3 months ago)

He's wrong. Oil is too big to be absorbed via the mucosal membranes. There is a possible way that snorting an extract of MJ would work: microemulsion.


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    #18537104 - 07/10/13 07:46 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

Also i forgot that it is not water soluble so it will not work because of that.


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Re: THC Crystals [Re: SteelPanther]
    #18537685 - 07/10/13 10:18 AM (9 years, 2 months ago)

I'm just gonna stick to making THC Oil > Brownies and smoking my dank. Why change what already works excellently?


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