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Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide?
    #3277592 - 10/26/04 01:10 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I have a friend who will be ingesting her first big dose of mushrooms. (4g's) She has done over 3g's numerous times and feels she would like to go further.

I have given her the Psychedelic Experience to borrow and read over and over, and she has told me that she is meditating daily. She wants me to be there as a trip sitter/guide to help her out and support her if things get hairy.

I probably will be on a low (1.5) dose of mushrooms so that I can be nearer to her "space." I know this trip is very important to her, and I know that only *she* can navigate those internal realms.

Any suggestions on being a good trip sitter or guide? I've never trip-sat for anyone before, but I have had people sit for me and I know what I did and did not like about them being there. But every person is different.

So can anyone offer any tips for me in this area?


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: MOTH]
    #3277777 - 10/26/04 02:03 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

yeah be strong next to her. if she falls weak during the journey, support her. try not to say things that will make her think unnecesary things.
I think support is the key word when it comes to sittering.


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: BanJankri]
    #3277819 - 10/26/04 02:28 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

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I think passive support is the key word when it comes to sittering.




It's all about her if you are the sitter, she dictates what you do.  If she dicates nothing, do nothing.  Have a good book handy :smirk:


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: blink]
    #3277944 - 10/26/04 03:32 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

I think I have some tips no one has mentioned, but you seem like a well informed person who has probably thought of these things.

Try and write down or record the sorts of things your friend says, the insights she has, etc, so that after her trip, she can go back and look at what she was going through. Sometimes trips are so mindblowing that it's hard to remember everything from them and a few notes might serve as excellent memory aids to recall the trip.

Second, have some good food for your friend as they come off of the trip. No elaborate production, but if your friend wants to eat it would be nice to have something delicious made up that would be easy to pull out.

Third, and this may be off your topic a little bit, but a high dose of mushrooms indoors pales in comparison to the same dose outdoors. If possible, get your friend outside for the experience. I took a huge dose of mushrooms (over 1 oz of wet cyanescens) and was outside while I peaked and it was unbelievable.

It almost goes without saying to unplug the phone, turn off the TV, etc.

Lastly, one thing that always really really sucks taking msuhrooms around people is their tendency to go "Do you feel it yet? Do ya? How about now? You feel it yet? Whatchya feeling? You seeing demons yet?" Avoid doing stuff like this.

I think a guide and a sitter are two way different things. A sitter is there to make sure the person doesn't start trying to get the worms out of their skin with razors, while a guide does more then ensure safety. It might be a good idea to discuss with your friend what she thinks the terms "guide" and "sitter" mean, because what is in her head about your role in her trip could be different then what we think these terms mean.

I've read a lot of your posts, and you seem like the type of well informed, balanced, stable person that would be great in this role. I've been privledged to be around people using ethnogenic mushrooms for the first time a lot recently. Although your role is supportive, I'd also add that you can learn a lot watching someone else go through this sort of experience, and one part of being a great guide is for you to take something positive from the experience as well.

I'd be interested in hearing how your experience in trip sitting went, so that I could improve in this role as well.


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: tomk]
    #3278046 - 10/26/04 04:26 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

FOOD, Macaroni and cheese, wine, jiffy brand peanut butter and basic food groups are perfectly applicable and introducable to the tripper during the come down.

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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: tomk]
    #3278049 - 10/26/04 04:27 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

(in awe of tomk's amazing post)


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: kLaWsRauGHt]
    #3278547 - 10/26/04 09:59 AM (12 years, 4 months ago)

Yeah, that was a great post, I may add it to the Tripper's FAQ.

I love how he explains the difference between a sitter and a guide.

On that thought, as a sitter, you should do as little as possible...

As a guide, indoors... you are sorta' responsible for set and setting.

You should play DJ. I like playing some Tim Leary at or near the peak. He's a better indoor guide than I.

Outdoors, I am more shamanic, I can't help it. I talk more, I guide more. It feels very natural. Outdoor guides are still sorta' resposible for the set and setting.

Remember, the best way a guide can help a frightened tripper is to change location, lighting and/or music. Remind them to move towards center, to move towards the light... that the trip will end. Most of the time, this isn't a problem.

Chants, meditations and eastern music helps me stay in a "Zen" state of mind.

Have fun and tell us all about it... 5-7g is really considered a large dose... 4g may not be THAT different for your friend. I'm sure the meditation and Psychadellic Experience WILL make the biggest difference in her tripping.

Ellemysh, you may wish to take a bit more than 1.5g just to make sure your trip lasts as long as hers. My 1.5g trips only last around 3-4 hours nowadays.

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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: Rose]
    #3288187 - 10/28/04 07:03 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Hey guys, I meant to write back to this sooner but got sidetracked. 

I talked to my friend today, and she is ecstatic about reading the Psychedelic Experience.  She said that Dr. Leary articulates so well what she has always wanted to say about her psychedelic experiences, but was unable to.  I know exactly what she means by that.  That book is a godsend. 

Thank you so much for the responses.  I asked her yesterday if she would prefer me to be a sitter or guide, described each, and then she promptly said "guide."  I think that this will be an incredible experience for both of us.  There's a lot of great posts in this thread and I have taken all suggestions to heart. 

I'll keep everyone filled in with how it goes.  :sun:


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: MOTH]
    #5902632 - 07/26/06 08:45 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

There isn't any need for a sitter. If your friends are doing mush responsibly, as not taking doses that are too big for them, they'll be able to act fairly rationally. They'll be laughing and tripping out, but they'll still be able to realize what's safe and what isn't. No one's going to run into a busy street or shit like that.

If you insist on being a sitter, just chill and enjoy watching your friends have fun.


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: I2ancid]
    #5902706 - 07/26/06 09:16 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

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I2ancid said:
FOOD, Macaroni and cheese, wine, jiffy brand peanut butter and basic food groups are perfectly applicable and introducable to the tripper during the come down.





I agree, along with weed, I've had some of the best munchies ever coming down from shrooms.


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: MustardMan]
    #5903075 - 07/26/06 11:07 PM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Please don't get more fucked up than the tripper. Unfortunately, our designated trippers (the one not ingesting a hallucinogen) ends up drinking a lot and becoming more inebriated than we are. The world needs some good trip sitters, just keep an eye out for the trippers and try to understand or relate to what they are experiencing. Recently on a trip to mushroom land, I was on the floor vegging out having a blast but apparently this worried a trip sitter there and kept telling me to get up and quit lying down, quite annoying to say the least


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: MOTH]
    #5903397 - 07/27/06 12:20 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Whoa...old thread!  :smile:


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: MOTH]
    #5903461 - 07/27/06 12:34 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

well since the thread is already bumped and you never replied 2 years ago, how did it go?  :smile:


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: SuperD]
    #5903774 - 07/27/06 01:41 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Let's just say that the best way to trip sit, is to allow the person to experience what they need to experience.  There's not much anyone can do if someone is "in their own head."  An inactive but supportive role is best, I've found.  :smile:


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: MOTH]
    #5903855 - 07/27/06 01:56 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

NEVER ASK A TRIPPING PERSON "ARE YOU ALRIGHT?"

that question can lead the mind on some scary journeys...


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: MOTH]
    #5904122 - 07/27/06 03:25 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

some additional miscellaneous suggestions:

i enjoy zen shakuhachi music, tribal drum rhythms, classical indian ragas, gaelic female chanting, overtone singing like david hykes stuff, some mantra chants, gregorian/buddhist monk chants, certain classical europaen pieces like beethoven, shpongle, entheogenic, etc
or somthing more apropos to the general aims of the experience

zen haikus are nice.
as are mandalic artworks

it could be a perfect opportunity to introduce proper bioenergetic breathing styles, just by simple demonstration.
starting the breath as low in the pelvic/belly region as comfortably possible, up from the belly, through the diaphragm and the chest. followed by a pleasureful AH sound just before the exhale release.
this is great for inducing more and better dynamic energy flow.

as for documenting the experience, in addition to pen and pad, have a camcorder if all are comfortable with the idea, and/or a tape recorder.

i haven't tried many of these yet but they sound good :smile:

comments/suggestions?

this is a good thread here.


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: MOTH]
    #5904557 - 07/27/06 09:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

STFU

Really thats one of the hallmarks of a good tripsitter: to stop socializing and getting absorbed in their own world, while covertly monitoring the experience.

People dont like feeling scrutinized, and steering anothers Experience is almost doomed to fail. The trip must do its thing, and you're there to prevent that the tripper eats candles or throws pencils at the TV.

This is best accomplished by having the sitter on a truly low dose of psychedelics, somewhere between 0.25-1gr of Cubies depending on sensitivity and strength. Then the thought-mill runs smoothly enough to spend the time daydreaming, exploring yourself and contemplating, while at the same time being able to snap out of it and not being dragged in the wake of a bad trip the tripper has.

Even bad trips need to run their course, you're there only to give basic reassurance.

At the beginning of the experience, do not allow the Tripper to flee from themselves by engaging in constant socializing: tell them they have to find comfort within themselves, not in the things around them.


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Re: Tip's for being a good trip sitter/guide? [Re: Asante]
    #5904749 - 07/27/06 11:38 AM (10 years, 6 months ago)

Very good advice!!

Also,throwing pencils at the tv gets you nowhere.:rofl:


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