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 Preparing Cardboard and Wood Substrate 
#3276432 - 10/25/04 08:11 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Does cardboard need to be sterilized if it is being used as the inital growth media from spores for strains such as ps. cyan and ps azure? If so, how would this work? I was contemplating getting the cardboard to the proper moisture leven and then rolling it loosely and placing it in a widemouth quart mason jar. A roll 4" in diameter would fit in the jar and would be able to removed. It would be sterilized like grain jars would be and would be inoculated with multispore. Would this work? Is it necessary?
The wood-chips, how do they have to be prepared. I'm sure that I can get the ideal water consistency just from my experience with cubensis mushrooms and knowing their moisture requirements. Should I pasteruize the wood chips?
This won't be attempted outdoors so I think that pasteruization will be critical. I was even considering the possibility of using a large mycobag filled with wood chips and some bran for extra nutrition, then braeking up and casing when it was fully colonized.
Any thoughts at all would be great. I've read GGMM and TMC and basically i'm just trying to understand the entire process as well as cubensis growing techniques are taught around here.
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Re: Preparing Cardboard and Wood Substrate [Re: retread]
#3276881 - 10/25/04 10:08 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Your much better off just using WBS to spawn to pasteurized chips. You can then use those colonized chips to spawn to more chips and make indoor casings and outdoor beds. I wouldnt bother trying to grow woodloves indoors unless its in a non heated room or shed where the temps fluctuate with outdoor temps.
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Re: Preparing Cardboard and Wood Substrate [Re: retread]
#3277845 - 10/26/04 02:42 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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for cyanescens germinate spores to sterilized rye grain
when fully colonized use the spawn to inoc soaked corogated cardboard
when they are colonized lay the cardboard out on the bottom of a tray
and cover with a 2 to 4 inch layer of fresh alder chips no casing required
neither the cardboard or the wood needs sterilization
incubate at 70 deg F
takes around 45 days give or take
pin and fruit at 55 deg F
theres a bit of leeway with these temps +/- 5 deg
RH wants to be around 95% during spawning and pinning drop to 80 for fruiting
Edited by noxy (10/26/04 02:51 AM)
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Re: Preparing Cardboard and Wood Substrate [Re: noxy]
#3282786 - 10/27/04 04:09 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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Quote:
noxy said:
for cyanescens germinate spores to sterilized rye grain
when fully colonized use the spawn to inoc soaked corogated cardboard
when they are colonized lay the cardboard out on the bottom of a tray
and cover with a 2 to 4 inch layer of fresh alder chips no casing required
neither the cardboard or the wood needs sterilization
incubate at 70 deg F
takes around 45 days give or take
pin and fruit at 55 deg F
theres a bit of leeway with these temps +/- 5 deg
RH wants to be around 95% during spawning and pinning drop to 80 for fruiting
Just curious...where did you get this tek from? I've been looking for a Ps. Cyan tek, but haven't come up with much. I'd like to see what others are saying about that tek.
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Re: Preparing Cardboard and Wood Substrate [Re: mycoguy]
#3288168 - 10/28/04 06:38 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I am going to try the Erics guide to cultivating Psilocybe azurs/cyans it is located where the others teks are but under a alternative method catagory or something..
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Re: Preparing Cardboard and Wood Substrate [Re: mycoguy]
#3289028 - 10/28/04 01:51 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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this came straight out of the mushroom cultivator by stamets and chilton
and is the method i use for cyan
you can grow this indors or move the trays outside after colonization
the colonized alder chips can be used to spawn outdoor beds
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Re: Preparing Cardboard and Wood Substrate [Re: noxy]
#3290480 - 10/28/04 07:04 PM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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As a little experiment to start my own outdoor P. cyan patch I got a small piece of mycelium and put it in a zip lock bag with a piece of cardboard that I had soaked for about an hour or two.
Now about a week later the mycelium is spreading very nicely on the cardboard and looks pretty healthy, also no signs of contams yet even though I used no sterilization what so ever...
My plan is once the card board is completely covered in mycelium to put it in with a bag of soaked store bought smoking alder chips until this is also completely colonized, this will then be placed in outdoor patch.
I will post some pictures soon when my digi cam arrives in a few weeks or so if anyone is interested in seeing how it goes.
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Re: Preparing Cardboard and Wood Substrate [Re: tztraveling]
#3296226 - 10/30/04 04:55 AM (13 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was thinking of doing the same thing.
You shouldn't need to sterilize the cardboard, as it is already pretty selective to what it will let grow on it.
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