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Offlinephantasm
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Just a randome question? for some scientists
    #3275506 - 10/25/04 03:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i was just wondering not that my D in chemistry would allow me to do this but : is it possible to convert LSA to LSD ?? just something i was thinking about

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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: phantasm]
    #3275593 - 10/25/04 04:22 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

possible but not if you got a d in chemistry...i would not attempt it at all


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: jent]
    #3277010 - 10/25/04 10:34 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

thus why i said i was just wondering and not planning on attempting it it was hypothetical

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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: phantasm]
    #3277159 - 10/25/04 11:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

From what I remember yes, it is possible, but I don't believe it is any easier than starting from ergot. Get that D up to a C and your in business, lol.


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: phantasm]
    #3277162 - 10/25/04 11:07 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Possible in theory.. But I dont think the process has ever been recorded from legit sources..


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: Legoulash]
    #3277168 - 10/25/04 11:09 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's possible but the defatting and extraction of LSA from seeds is an extremely large pain in the ass.

The synths are out there.


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: Ayrios]
    #3277181 - 10/25/04 11:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

lets just say my chemistry grade wont ever get higher i passed with a D but i never did anything cooked chicken on a bunsan burner so yeah no hope for me ill stick to letting god grow the plants for me and buying my acid from freinds

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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: phantasm]
    #3278432 - 10/26/04 08:12 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

not too hard. one step synthesis. I would look up similar reactions and give it a go, if i had the starting materials and my own, un-supervised lab :0) which i dont

probably just treat it with bromo- or iodo-ethane


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: hermanntrude]
    #3278513 - 10/26/04 09:32 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It's a much bigger deal than that. No one starts with pure LSA.


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: Ayrios]
    #3278529 - 10/26/04 09:46 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

With LSA, I'm not 100% sure whether the LSA stands for Lysergic Acid Amide as a single substance, but I assumed it meant Lysergic Acid Amides, as in a range of similar substances. So if you did extract it and it was a range of substances, there would be no guarantee that the reactions it would have to undertake would turn it all into Lysergic Acid Diethylamide. But like I said, I'm not 100% sure on this.

I'm very good at chemistry (I'm not trying to boast) and although it probably could be done by people who dont know much chemistry at all, I wouldn't reccomend trying to make any chemically synthetic substances unless you have some kind of degree which allows you to understand exactly what you are doing to the molecules.

There are synthesises out there, I guess you could try, but its your responsibility.

Hope I helped. :smile:


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: arbalest]
    #3278636 - 10/26/04 10:36 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

arbalest said:
I'm very good at chemistry (I'm not trying to boast) and although it probably could be done by people who dont know much chemistry at all, I wouldn't reccomend trying to make any chemically synthetic substances unless you have some kind of degree which allows you to understand exactly what you are doing to the molecules




Once again, that's not true. It's not an easy procedure. That's why you have a handful of people making LSD and none of us have ever known anyone firsthand. I'm sure most of us on the other hand have known an amphetamine chemist or an herb/mushroom grower.


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: Ayrios]
    #3278654 - 10/26/04 10:43 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

It woudln't be as terribly hard as made out to be if one was to have the expensive equipment, and an abundance of near-impossible to obtain precursors. You'd get it right eventually, or blow up trying.


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: sublime40oz]
    #3278690 - 10/26/04 10:53 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

The easiest part to fuck up is the sterility and lighting... You need to dedicate an entire room to the syntesis basically.


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: Ayrios]
    #3278982 - 10/26/04 12:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Yea, I believe I remember reading that the synthesis needs to be done under infa-red lighting, or some other spectrum of light other than visible?


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: sublime40oz]
    #3279111 - 10/26/04 01:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

A lot of evaporation needs to be done under a vacuum as well. If you're starting with LSA, and want to make anything near pure, you'll need to use gas chromatography once to purify the LSA, and likely again in the end for the LSD. You can convert the LSA to lysergic acid *relatively* easily. Via hydrolysis with KOH. I believe you get lysergic acid and quite a bit of iso-lysergic acid, which is useless. So you'd need to seperate that and convert it to lysergic acid.

You might need a nitrogen atmosphere as well. After that you still just have a precursor. You still need to get it to react and combine with diethylamine, which I don't think you'll be able to buy, so another thing you'll have to cook up. Techniques for this can be found all over, take a look in TiHKAL and see if you understand a thing. I know its damn confusing at least to me.


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: phantasm]
    #3279248 - 10/26/04 02:00 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

If you can read and understand the route written in thikal than go for it. But using lsa is complicating the route for lsd. there are other chemicals that are being used ordinary most known is ergottamine.

here is the route
http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal26.shtml


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: DrBhang]
    #3279263 - 10/26/04 02:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

True. But if you're qualified to make LSD in any way whatsoever, you should be able to do it with the lysergic acid from LSA. It's definately not the standard mass production route from what I've read, but good luck geting ergotamine tartrate.


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #3279510 - 10/26/04 03:01 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

like i said hypothetically but hey atleast people are responding i was just wondering seems possibly not by me of course but...

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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: phantasm]
    #3281377 - 10/26/04 10:05 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

heres the deal on this i spent alot of time looking into it. #! this has NEVER been done sucesfully.
if you get alexander shulgin's book tihkal he talks about it in there, it is in theory a 2 step process from Pure Lsa to LSD but one of the proceses, hydrolising the amide or somthing isnt possible because of the chemical configuratino of LSA.

but from my hours of research it is not practical or currently possible.
shit ho much acid would there be if you could get the precursors at home depot, kilos of pure crystal everywhere, and judging by the current black market avaliability of LSD its not the case

go to rohdium or the hive to find out more


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Re: Just a randome question? for some scientists [Re: ZippoZ]
    #3285655 - 10/27/04 07:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Right here goes:

LSA has been used historicly to refer both to Lysergic Acid Amide (Also called LA-111 and Ergine) and Lysergic Acid Amides which is a group of chemicals that includes Lysergic Acid Amide, Isoergine (Isolysergic Acid Amide), Ergometrine, Lys. alpha-OH-ethylamide, all of which can be theoretically hydrolysed into Lysergic Acid.

In Morning Glory and HBW, Ergine and Isoergine are the largest alkaloid components by weight, and Ergine is the most active alkaloid. It is around 1/10 the potency of LSD. When somebody says they are extracting LSA from HBW seeds using water or alcohol to consume, they are in reality extracting all the alkaloids.

Any really useful synthesis of LSD from Ergine (Or any of the amides for that matter) would really start hydrolysing to Lysergic Acid first. Big problem, as for all intents and purposes it's impossible to do so. It's possible in theory though. Another major problem is isolating Ergine from the other alkaloids. Very difficult to end up with a pure product.

Hope that helps! :smile:


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