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BBB's Absinthe Tek
    #3274919 - 10/25/04 10:50 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Since I am always after the ultimate head and mushrooms are not an every day high, I visited one of the Shroomery's sponsers and came upon an Absinthe making kit. Once you tell me that it was a drink from the 1800's and it was banned worldwide, you've successfully peaked my curiosity.
First of all, like mushrooms, there is alot of work ahead of you to actually get the product. It dosn't come "ready made" (unless you wanna gamble spending close to $300 a bottle on the internet)
So it was off to the internet to purchase a case of 190 proof grain alcohol. I hope they don't think I'm a nut trying to make bombs or something because I had to order a case of Everclear grain alcohol.
So here's the process:
You macerate
Wormwood-Lemon balm-Anise seed-Star Anise-Fennel seed-Coriander-Calamus root-Angelica root-Hyssop
in 950 ml of grain alcohol for 10-14 days, stirring every couple of days. A day or so before you get ready to distill it you have to add 400 ml of water. After the 14 days you squeese out the liquid and you are ready to distill.
Now, you need to build yourself a still. As per the instructions I used a 4000 ml Erlenmyer flask (also found on the internet) 1/2 inch copper tubing and a 5 gallon bucket from Home Depot. Assembly is fairly easy. Just make six - 6" coils in the copper tubing and attach one end into the flask and the other end to a collection vessel. The coils need to be cooled down, hence, the 5 gallon bucket. A 1/2 inch hole is drilled into the bottom of the bucket so the coils are situated in the middle of the bucket and the bucket is filled with cold water.
The flask is filled with the raw Absinthe and water mixture and is brought to a boil. Obviously, the alcohol boils up first and the steam goes through the copper tubing, gets cooled off by the cold water in the bucket and then condenses into a pure clear Absinthe distillate which you gather up in your collection vessle.
Now all that is left is the finishing process which entails macerating more Wormwood, Mint, Lemon balm, Licorice root and Lemon peel in your distillate for another 4 days. This will impart that beautiful green color and unique taste to your Absinthe.
Now you might be asking why go through all this trouble for some stinking alcohol. I'm gonna tell you why. ABSINTHE IS THE SHIT!!!!!!
Talk about a fucking high, this is one of the best highs I have ever experienced in my life, and I've tried everything.
Now I see why this drink almost ruined the French economy in the 1800's. It's the shit!!! Everyone was addicted to this stuff.
After drinking it it becomes clear why writers like Oscar Wilde, Baudelaire, Van Gogh, Manet, Toulouse Lautrec and Picasso were addicted to this stuff. It brings out your weird side of your creativity.
Now here's the bad side: it's very ADDICTIVE and supposedly contains some bad poisons that could kill you if drank in large amounts. Screw that crap....ABSINTHE is the shit!!!!
So far I have experimented with 2-4 shots. Two is perfect. When I tried 4 shots, I was in a new Hard Rock Casino and I had to be held up because the people I was with were afraid I would fall all over the place and get thrown in jail. So 2 shots are just about perfect that is unless you build up a high tolerence to it, but I wouldn't suggest that, It would take away all the fun of this stuff.
For those of you out there who are against drinking alcohol I just want you to know that even though it is made with 190 proof grain alcohol and the finished product is extremely high proof, I can assure you that the high is not a drunk high at all. I would concider it more of a hydroponic reefer high. It is well worth the effort and bucks to get off on the Absinthe high!!!!!
There is also a ritual that goes with drinking Absinthe. You take a slotted spoon (actually called an Absinthe spoon) and put a cube of sugar in it and extremely slowly trickle water over the cube of sugar so that the sugar water goes into your glass of Absinthe so that the sugar water sweetens the Absinthe (sugar won't disolve in alcohol).
So there you have it, my two cents about the greatest drink in the world.......ABSINTHE.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3276298 - 10/25/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

That's a great read man, gives me all the more reason to set up a still, but I have a few questions. What did you use for a heat source? and at what temp does the alcohol evaporate?

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: discoabe]
    #3276320 - 10/25/04 05:41 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Oh and where did you get the wormwood and other ingredients? Can you recommend a legit place online to get them? And why bother distilling it when you can just buy the kit and mix with everclear and let sit for a week or two?

Edited by discoabe (10/25/04 06:00 PM)

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: discoabe]
    #3276723 - 10/25/04 07:36 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

a picture tek would be awsome please set one up cause im really interested in this substance but i have no idea as to preperations
thanks again

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: discoabe]
    #3279354 - 10/26/04 12:24 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

discoabe said:
That's a great read man, gives me all the more reason to set up a still, but I have a few questions. What did you use for a heat source? and at what temp does the alcohol evaporate?




I'll put up some pictures shortly. I do it on my glass top stove. No need to worry about temperature. Just boil!! The alcohol evaporates first and there are tell tale signs when the water starts to evaporate. Distillation is manditory!!!! wormwood contains poisonous chemicals. Distillation removes over 99% of them. NEVER DRINK ABSINTHE THAT HASN'T BEEN DISTILLED or you will get very sick!!!
There used to be a sponcer that sold a kit that they said no distillation was necessary. BOGUS!!! Maybe that's why they are no longer sponcers. I'll P.M. you where to get everything. I don't want to get repremanded for giving out addresses of non-sponcers.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3287020 - 10/27/04 09:22 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)







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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3287301 - 10/27/04 10:07 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, thanks! :laugh: I've been curious to try Absinthe for quite a while. I'm copying and pasting your tek for my..a-hem.."special files". :grin: Nice still, by the way!

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek *DELETED* [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3287343 - 10/27/04 10:16 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: freakygurl]
    #3288445 - 10/28/04 08:44 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

what is the optimum time to steep everything for?

ive read anywhere to a couple days to 2 weeks. Would a longer steep make for a more active product?

Ive made green dragon before and that sat at least two months.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: MushBus]
    #3288882 - 10/28/04 11:10 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

That's a really nice guide. How does this method compare with just soaking all the herbs in everclear for about a month, and then filtering? I would imagine your product must taste better, but how do the effects compare? I've made absinthe without distilling, and it was incredible (that is, if you could gag it down)

Someday, I'll get ahold of the real stuff...

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Kavatar]
    #3288903 - 10/28/04 11:18 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I found a website, one bottle was 99 bucks, a bottle of "good stuff" was 199, give me a break...


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: gdman]
    #3288906 - 10/28/04 11:18 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I'm not shelling out 200 bucks on abottle of liqour, no way.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: gdman]
    #3290551 - 10/28/04 05:19 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

what about carbon purifying?

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3290597 - 10/28/04 05:25 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

I put 2oz of Wormwood in a 176.5% proff bottle of Everclear for 60 days and it fucked me up more than I have ever been fucked up before.

The Anise (AKA DOGNIP) I was told, was used like flax seed in calming the stomach?


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3290634 - 10/28/04 05:29 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

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I can assure you that the high is not a drunk high at all.




Yeah, it rememinded me of a Cocain/acid trip at the same time. I was very amped for how much alchohol I just drank and I wasn't even close to drunk. I learned to respect the Absinthe that night though...


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Civ]
    #3290813 - 10/28/04 06:14 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

"Apparently the distillation process removes most if not all of the toxicity of the wormwood in well-made absinthe; that, plus its trace amounts in the elixir, make absinthe -- consumed responsibly, as any strong spirit -- perfectly safe. Additionally, wormwood is also one of the herbs used (in trace amounts) to make that flavored wine and essential Martini ingredient that we all know as vermouth. The name of the drink comes from the German wermuth, which means wormwood."

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: gdman]
    #3293358 - 10/29/04 10:42 AM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Quote:

gdman said:
I found a website, one bottle was 99 bucks, a bottle of "good stuff" was 199, give me a break...




First of all, a bottle of "real" Absinthe, goes for about $300. Now that's steep. If you make your own, it's about $60 for a 750 ml. bottle.
Listen up everyone preparing to make Absinthe, ABSINTHE MUST BE DISTILLED!!!!!! PERIOD!!!
According to the recipe above, herbs need to mascerate for 2 weeks. Then you distill, then you finish the Absinthe.
There are NO shortcuts!!
I use a chair to hold up the bucket. I just took that pic so you could see the apparatus, which, by the way, belongs to a friend of mine.
One important reminder, this stuff is great, and I do mean great. Don't get addicted!!


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3293920 - 10/29/04 01:40 PM (19 years, 5 months ago)

Hey, great tek BBB...very helpful. I sent you a PM asking a question about the whole distilled thing since you obviously feel it is a very important step.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3294866 - 10/29/04 06:18 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Wrong. Herbs only need to macerate for 12 to 24 hours, longer than that, and you get some nasty tasting shit. I've been distilling absinthe for seven years. I recommend using a copper still, because that is the still used in manufacturing absinthe. The following ingredients for 1L: 30g wormwood, 45g anise, and 45g fennel. Florence fennel makes a better product. By the way absinthe is made with grape alcohol: brandy or cognac, distilled twice to reach 85%. Distilling these herbs in grain alcohol: everclear or vodka is not absinthe. Everclear being 95% alcohol will release the essential oils and put them in solution, but what you get is basically cheap whiskey with essential oils, and it tastes like shit. Vodka is not of a high enough proof to release these essential oils. So, anyone steeping herbs in vodka and then drinking, or anyone steeping herbs in vodka and the distilling, is not making ABSINTHE PERIOD. After the distillation the clear runnings are macerated, and heated, but not to the boiling point, the ingedients for coloring are 25g roman wormwood, 10g hyssop, and 5g lemon balm. Heat until the desired color has been obtained, strain, filter, and bottle. True authentic absinthe is made with only the 6 herbs I have described.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: lafeeverte]
    #3295602 - 10/29/04 10:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

is there anyway you could set up a step by step picture tutorial cause i am a visual learner and this souunds really interesting but theres no way i can just read that and follow it

at least a tutorial on how to make a still thanks

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: phantasm]
    #3295693 - 10/29/04 10:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

grape alcohol - grappa from italy

i already have a 5ltr still what about just polished spirits???
about 85 - 90%

and just a fact the reason everybody gets sick of this stuff or used to is because they used to color the absinthe with metals. and the heater would most likely have been made of nickle and zinc which in high quantities are highly toxic, and drinking such high proof alcohol is not good on your body can burn your lining of your throat all way down to your stomach, heavy toxicity on the liver and kidneys. so after once you have made it cut the alcohol with water...

people the 5ltr still is legal, so if you don't want to muck around trying to make one buy one they are pretty cheap about 120-$150. also forgot to tell them to take out the 1st 20ml for this is methonal, can't drink it extremely dangerous.

tutorial http://www.homedistiller.org


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: spudamore]
    #3296704 - 10/30/04 08:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

so i was lazy again and decided to just put a fair amount of wormwood in half a liter of ricard (aniseed flavor, 45%) and let sit for two weeks.

result: the most bitter substance you can imagine, nearly impossible to down or to get rid of the aftertaste.

so now i have this stuff which is not only horribly nasty tasting, but possibly useless for trying to get any kind of high from it, other than the alcohol one.

question: can i flush this stuff down the toilet, or is there still a way to distill this and get something out of it?

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Jeroen198]
    #3297702 - 10/30/04 02:16 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Do you have any pics?

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3298283 - 10/30/04 05:30 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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NEVER DRINK ABSINTHE THAT HASN'T BEEN DISTILLED or you will get very sick! 




:shocked:  I get the same "sick" as I would any other time I drank 10-12 shots of liqour :smile:

But, I wil try this distilled version over my ghetto "stuff the wormword & anise seed in the everclear and hide under my bed for 2 months" version.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Jeroen198]
    #3298305 - 10/30/04 05:39 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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o i was lazy again and decided to just put a fair amount of wormwood in half a liter of ricard (aniseed flavor, 45%) and let sit for two weeks.
result: the most bitter substance you can imagine, nearly impossible to down or to get rid of the aftertaste.
so now i have this stuff which is not only horribly nasty tasting, but possibly useless for trying to get any kind of high from it, other than the alcohol one.
question: can i flush this stuff down the toilet, or is there still a way to distill this and get something out of it?




Two weeks in ricard? thats 45% liqour right? I would use somthing a lot stronger than ricard, and just toss the anise seed into the bottle yourself. some countys here in california we can get 176.5% proof everclear. It starts to get green in the end, and fast.

If you have opened the bottle, and such prolly best to toss the stuff. Less there is a way to save it with distilation.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Civ]
    #3309369 - 11/02/04 01:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

is there a good link to find a distilation kit(if that didn't just sound retarded)?Or what stuff you need to rig a still in your bathroom?(again sorry if I sound gimpy here)
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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: drunkencoyote]
    #3311568 - 11/02/04 09:03 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

yeah at www.homedistiller.org has tutorial on how to make one, but if you are looking to buy one just go to your local brew shop.
legal to buy, illegal to make alcohol. meant do be used for distilling water and extracting oils.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: lafeeverte]
    #3316091 - 11/03/04 05:33 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

If you use grain alcohol( Everclear) instead of grape alcohol (Cognac), will it take away from the effects of Absinthe


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: theocean06]
    #3316123 - 11/03/04 05:43 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

grape alcohol is grappa, its between a cognac and brandy.

will it take away from the effects of Absinthe???

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3319038 - 11/04/04 09:14 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Very nice description. Guess I'll be planting wormwood next spring and dust off the old still. I have one question. Does this absinthe get cloudy when you add the sugar water?

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: theocean06]
    #3320686 - 11/04/04 04:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

No grain alcohol will not take away from the effects. I'd like to say that absinthe is NOT a narcotic or hallucinogen. A properly distilled absinthe basically gives you a dreamy, meditative state of mind.

The way I prepare absinthe is:

I'll distill eau de vie twice until I reach 85%, I then macerate my herbs in this 85% for 12 hours, any more and your absinthe is going to taste like shit. I then throw the whole in my copper alembic, and apply heat. I don't turn the water on for condensing until I reach 60C, a couple of boiling stones will help with the bumping. Distill until you reach 82C, and then change the receiver. Make sure that you have two more receivers, because your going to keep distilling until the clear runnings become cloudy, around 92C. Let the clear runnings rest while you prepare your coloring herbs, then throw the clear runnings, and your coloring herbs back in your alembic. Apply heat, but not to the boiling point, this should only take a couple of minutes. Filter several times, bottle, and let rest. You should let your absinthe rest for at least a couple of months. And thats it.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: lafeeverte]
    #3348148 - 11/11/04 06:07 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Has anyone here tried Absente? It doesn't have the banned type of wormwood in it, but has southern wormwood instead. This looks like a list of ingredients for it:
http://www.crillonimporters.com/Absente/absente-botanicals.htm

It has a strong licorice-like anise taste and smell and forms a louche (gets cloudy) when mixed with water. It tastes something like a liqueur. I wonder if you could prepare a distilled alcoholic extract of wormwood (Artemisia Absinthium) and mix it with something like this to get something like absinthe.


The little glass on the left in the picture is Absente straight from the bottle. On the right in the Coke glass is Absente and sugar water. It comes with an absinthe spoon.



You can see a scanned image of the box here:
http://www.geocities.com/milkmandan2003/AbsenteBoxText.html


http://www.absente.com

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3352533 - 11/12/04 03:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Here's the breakdown of how to distill an authentic 19th century absinthe:

First you need a still, alembic, retort, whatever you want to call it. Mines a 5L alembic from Portugal, however with a 5L alembic, your only going to distill half of your capacity, in other words 2.5L.

The recipe that follows is for 1L of absinthe, you'll have to do the math to figure for other volumes.

Prepare your distillation herbs by putting them in a blender or coffee grinder, the more surface area the better.

You don't grind all your herbs together, for 1L of absinthe: grind 30g wormwood, 45g anise, and 45g florence fennel. Florence fennel has more anethole in it than regular fennel, hence it smells of anise. Put these aside. Now get some eau de vie, and distill half of what your still can hold, keep distilling this until you get the volume thats appropriate for your still. By the first distillation you should have reached 80% alcohol. Put this 80% back into your still and distill again until you reach 85%. One word of caution, on both distillations you only want to distill until you reach 82C. Any higher and your distilling isopropyl alcohol, not good.

Now throw your herbs and your 85% back into your still along with about 600ml of distilled water. Throw a couple of boiling stones in it also to help with the bumping. Now distill until you reach 82C, and then change the receiver. Make sure you have two more receivers handy. Keep distilling until your clear runnings start turning cloudy, the feints, around 92C. Don't let your feints mix with your clear runnings. Let the clear runnings rest.

Now prepare your coloring herbs, grind seperately, 25g roman wormwood, 10g hyssop, and 5g lemon balm. Throw these herbs and your clear absinthe back into your still. I usually heat these herbs in the clear absinthe, in the still until my hand can longer bear the heat of resting my hand on the head of my still.

Filter several times, bottle, and let rest for at least a couple of months.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: lafeeverte]
    #3356408 - 11/13/04 03:52 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks for your reply, lafeeverte. I've been playing around with this retort here. I have 3 glass retorts and tried using chromic acid (I used potassium dichromate and sulfuric acid) for the first time to clean these. Its supposed to be good for removing tar and burned on residue. It works OK, but you still have to do some scraping. I'm distilling water in the picture below. I found that if I use an adapter at the end and keep the variac at 50-60 volts I don't need a water cooled condenser to condense all the water. The white doohickeys (retort closure and connector to the adapter) are rubber stoppers wrapped with teflon plumber's tape. The meter in the picture is a clip-on type ammeter with an adapter for monitoring current to the heating mantel. It looks like I'll have to rig up a thermometer for use with absinthe.


About the isopropyl alcohol, are you refering to fusel oil (mostly amyl alcohol)? Fusel oil is a by product produced when making alcohol by fermentation.


Some links on fusel oil:

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/sci/A0819921.html

http://www.hyperdictionary.com/dictionary/fusel+oil

http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/alcohol-amyl.html

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...p;dopt=Abstract




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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3356430 - 11/13/04 03:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

This is interesting:

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These results suggest that the fusel oil in whisky alleviates hangover, contrary to the common belief.





http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query...p;dopt=Abstract


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The nervous irritability and weakness of habitual drunkards, is said to be relieved by small doses of fusel oil.





http://www.ibiblio.org/herbmed/eclectic/kings/alcohol-amyl.html

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    #3356551 - 11/13/04 04:25 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)


You can use activated charcoal to remove fusel oil from alcohol (before using it to make absinthe).

http://www.whiskymag.com/words/charcoal_mellowing.html

http://encode.com/exec/ncarbon.htm

http://medherb.com/cook/html/CARBON,_CHARCOAL_.htm

http://medherb.com/cook/html/ALCOHOL.htm

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    #3356924 - 11/13/04 06:00 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, can I just use wormwood instead of having all those other herbs in it.  Not to sound lazy, but when I purchase the wormwood, I don't really want to have the hassle of searching around for the other ones.  With your still, did you just use a 1/2 drill bit (or something similar) to drill a hole in the rubber stopper and cram the copper wire through?

Edit: "there are tell tale signs when the water starts to evaporate"
Care to tell me what they are :crazy: Also, When you find the water boiling, you take the flask away?


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    #3357054 - 11/13/04 06:34 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hey, can I just use wormwood instead of having all those other herbs in it. Not to sound lazy, but when I purchase the wormwood, I don't really want to have the hassle of searching around for the other ones.

thats what i was thinking mix it with ouzo or sambuca flavouring. would it mask the flavour of wormwood???


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3358968 - 11/14/04 06:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Hey Great Satan, After washing in soap and water, I'd use acetone to clean my glassware. When you rig your thermometer, you want to mount it in the head of your still so you can read vapour temperature. A drop of condensate will form on the bulb, then you can start reading accurate vapour temperatures.

After 82C you are distilling 2-Propanol [rubbing alcohol].
Here's the breakdown:

acetone 56.5C [134F]
methanol [wood alcohol] 64C [147F]
ethyl acetate 77.1C [171F]
ethanol 78C [172F]
2-propanol [rubbing alcohol] 82C [180F]
1-propanol 97C [207F]
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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3358987 - 11/14/04 06:51 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Great Satan, you can also buy a cheap fractionating setup made of borosilicate glass at floragenics.com. These stills are made for distilling essential oils, but they work wonderfully well for distilling absinthe. The 2000ml was the first one I purchased seven years ago, and I still use it occasionally because its so easy to use, and you can see everthing thats going on. Right now I'm using a 5L copper alembic from Portugal, and it produces the best absinthe I've ever distilled, right on par with vintage pre-ban absinthe.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: lafeeverte]
    #3359001 - 11/14/04 07:04 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

I've got plenty of glassware.


Here's some interesting articles on absinthe:

http://www.oxygenee.com/absintheBOOKS4.html


https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.p...mp;Searchpage=0


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: lafeeverte]
    #3359285 - 11/14/04 09:56 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>>After 82C you are distilling 2-Propanol [rubbing alcohol].

Distilling IPA from what?

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: neuro]
    #3360555 - 11/14/04 03:46 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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>>After 82C you are distilling 2-Propanol [rubbing alcohol].

Distilling IPA from what?




Yeah, I think he's assuming something. He said earlier:

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I'll distill eau de vie twice until I reach 85%





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eau de vie
[oh deuh VEE]
French for "water of life," this term describes any colorless, potent BRANDY or other spirit distilled from fermented fruit juice. KIRSCH (made from cherries) and FRAMBOISE (from raspberries) are the two most popular eaux de vie . See also AQUA VITAE; LIQUEUR.





http://www.epicurious.com/cooking/how_to/food_dictionary/entry?id=2382

Isopropyl alcohol is made from propylene which is made by petroleum cracking.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3363101 - 11/15/04 07:54 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

It's early, so excuse me if i'm missing something. But if he's distilling brandy where is this IPA coming from? You just don't make it by heating the brandy, it has to already be in there. And IPA is definitely not in brandy, nor are any of those other toxic alcohols he listed like methanol.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: lafeeverte]
    #3363243 - 11/15/04 09:25 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Wrong. Herbs only need to macerate for 12 to 24 hours, longer than that, and you get some nasty tasting shit. I've been distilling absinthe for seven years. I recommend using a copper still, because that is the still used in manufacturing absinthe. The following ingredients for 1L: 30g wormwood, 45g anise, and 45g fennel. Florence fennel makes a better product. By the way absinthe is made with grape alcohol: brandy or cognac, distilled twice to reach 85%. Distilling these herbs in grain alcohol: everclear or vodka is not absinthe. Everclear being 95% alcohol will release the essential oils and put them in solution, but what you get is basically cheap whiskey with essential oils, and it tastes like shit. Vodka is not of a high enough proof to release these essential oils. So, anyone steeping herbs in vodka and then drinking, or anyone steeping herbs in vodka and the distilling, is not making ABSINTHE PERIOD. After the distillation the clear runnings are macerated, and heated, but not to the boiling point, the ingedients for coloring are 25g roman wormwood, 10g hyssop, and 5g lemon balm. Heat until the desired color has been obtained, strain, filter, and bottle. True authentic absinthe is made with only the 6 herbs I have described.




NOT WRONG!!!!!
My tech is not the same as yours. That's all.
We are both making Absinthe, albeit, yours is of a higher quality. I cannot afford the cognac and I am unable to purchase a copper still.
I also did some research on wormwood and found out that they are comparitively equal in the amount of thujones, more or less. Not enough to make a vast difference in the finished product. I also believe that masceration dosn't have to be 2 weeks, but it does no harm and I feel that it extracts more thujones and other chemicals from the other herbs. Maybe not, but it can't hurt.
I agree, your way yeilds a better product, but mine is no slouch product, I'm also using organically grown herbs. It's like driving a Rolls Royce or a Bently. I'd be happy with either one.
My tech was posted for us "regular" guys out there who want to make some real Absinthe, but don't want to go farther than Home Depot for the supplies.
We all appreciate your knowledgable input on how to improve home made Absinthe, it is great. Thank you!!


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: beatlebangboy]
    #3365048 - 11/15/04 04:50 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Check out this patent. It discusses a number of congeners. Isopropyl alcohol isn't specifically mentioned. See column 2 lines 20+ and Tables 1 and 2.

http://l2.espacenet.com/espacenet/bnsvie...+++4784868A1+I+



There seems to have been a number of "authentic" absinthe formulas:

http://www.oxygenee.com/absintheBOOKS4.html

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3365849 - 11/15/04 06:59 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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Great_Satan said:
I've got plenty of glassware.


Here's some interesting articles on absinthe:

http://www.oxygenee.com/absintheBOOKS4.html


https://www.the-hive.ws/forum/showflat.p...mp;Searchpage=0





They have links to a store to buy spoons and glasses too. An A++ link for sure!


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: mr_minds_eye]
    #3366129 - 11/15/04 07:54 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

The hive is down now so I put the Journal of Applied Biomedicine article here:

http://home.ripway.com/2003-11/39191/abs/patockabs.pdf

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3368150 - 11/16/04 09:37 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

There is an informative and enjoyable book about Absinthe (the good and bad side) called "Absinthe, history in a bottle" by Barnaby Conrad III. It goes over the health risks, history, banning and modern analysis of it's chemical structure. Not to mention it has great pictures. I bought it at www.basementshaman.com It is a great read.
All I can add to this thread is to say that as long as you use great organic ingredients and distill your Absinthe properly, most recipes are suitable.
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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3368178 - 11/16/04 09:45 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>> It discusses a number of congeners. Isopropyl alcohol isn't specifically mentioned.

That's because it has no source of introduction into the mixture unless you pour it in yourself. You're not gonna get IPA out of/from the herbs, and it's not gonna be in the eau de vie, IPA causes severe gastric disturbances in small amounts and more of it kills you. And it definitely isn't a congener.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: neuro]
    #3378407 - 11/18/04 08:31 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Last note here. Here are the amounts of the mentioned ingredients for my Absinthe Tek:

Masceration:
35 g Wormwood
6.0 g Lemon Balm
25.0 g Anise Seed
8.0 g Star Anise
25.0 g Fennel Seed
3.5 g Coriander
1.5 g Calamus Root
4.0 g Angelica Root
9.0 g Hyssop
These are the ingredients for the masceration part of making Absinthe. Note that this is for *1* 950ml bottle of grain alcohol.
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Finishing
4.0 g Wormwood
6.0 g Mint
2.0 g Lemon Balm
2.0 g Licorice Root
2.0 g Lemon Peel
These are the finishing ingredients. They will impart additional flavor and color to your Absinthe. Note that the amounts are for *1* 950ml bottle.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: neuro]
    #3388315 - 11/20/04 08:27 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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>> It discusses a number of congeners. Isopropyl alcohol isn't specifically mentioned.

That's because it has no source of introduction into the mixture unless you pour it in yourself. You're not gonna get IPA out of/from the herbs, and it's not gonna be in the eau de vie, IPA causes severe gastric disturbances in small amounts and more of it kills you. And it definitely isn't a congener.




Simple disillation (no fractionating column) doesn't separate things (ie. ethyl alcohol, water and congeners) completely with one distillation anyway. You need an efficient fractionating column to do that (or repeat a series of simple distillations). You can read about the theory of distillation in a lot of chemistry books.

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    #3391148 - 11/20/04 10:17 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

>>Simple disillation (no fractionating column) doesn't separate things (ie. ethyl alcohol, water and congeners) completely with one distillation anyway. You need an efficient fractionating column to do that (or repeat a series of simple distillations). You can read about the theory of distillation in a lot of chemistry books.

So what's your point? I wasn't talking about that. But on a side note, if anyone does have the glassware and wants to do a fractional distillation Chore Boy works great in packing the column if you're cheap.

Anyway, my inquiries are specifically about this idea of IPA being in the eau de vie, or introduced by the herbs, and in both cases that's not true.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: neuro]
    #3391196 - 11/20/04 10:28 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Would some 190 proof, 95% Everclear work?


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    #3391232 - 11/20/04 10:35 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

For absinthe (true or not, whatever, since there's been 5 different claims for true absinthe), if you're going to use it in a kit, it's fine.

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    #3391266 - 11/20/04 10:41 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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    #3399794 - 11/23/04 05:55 PM (19 years, 4 months ago)

Read the Fritsch English translation here. You have to use 80-85% alcohol. Everclear should work good (diluted to 80-85%). I think its low on congeners. That's the impression I get when mixing it with different things and the type of hangover it causes.

http://www.oxygenee.com/absintheBOOKS4.html


http://www.oxygenee.com/Fritsch-English.pdf



Note on page 3 of the Fritsch English translation which says:

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It is likewise if the maceration is done with pure alcohol: plants suddenly immersed in high proof alcohol seem to undergo a kind of hardening which, up to a certain point, stalls the development of their aroma.





Note also the use of 80% and 85% alcohol on pages 10-12.

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    #3401964 - 11/24/04 02:55 AM (19 years, 4 months ago)

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    #3434514 - 12/01/04 07:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

You are all talking so much about Absinthe. Why don't you order it from Europe?

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    #3484205 - 12/11/04 10:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

There's stories over here of people ordering it from Europe and having it confiscated by customs.

http://www.feeverte.net/forum/

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    #3510265 - 12/16/04 06:11 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Some of the articles in the links I posted use archaic language. The links below might be useful (note the definitions):

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/jfren_1.html

http://www.levity.com/alchemy/brueghel.html

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Great_Satan]
    #3512288 - 12/17/04 03:31 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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There's stories over here of people ordering it from Europe and having it confiscated by customs.

http://www.feeverte.net/forum/




http://www.allthingsabsinthe.com/shop.html should bypass the customs issue.



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    #3512314 - 12/17/04 04:03 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

here is all your know how, equipment to buy and the likes of.

http://stillspirits.com/

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    #3515165 - 12/17/04 09:04 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

"After 82C you are distilling 2-Propanol [rubbing alcohol]."

Huh? This is nonsense.
You start with ethanol and you end with ethanol.
You CAN use 80-proof vodka for extraction, but, the problem is that the dissolved solids will mix with the water, creating a muck which will raise your boiling point considerably and slow-down the process.
Get the cheapest vodka you can and distill it until you get a fairly clean product. Use this for extraction. ALWAYS use grain spirits, and never isopropyl. If you can access Everclear, that's just as well... not everyone can get 190-proof in their town.
Ethanol is ethanol is ethanol. Pure alcohol distilled from vodka, gin, champagne or Eau de Vie is ALL THE SAME chemical, because it has been distilled to purity.
Water is your enemy in the distillation process--avoid it.
Never add water to the extract or during the distillation process.
Filter the extract thoroughly. Dissolved solids raise boiling point and slow down the process. Use whole herbs and do not pulverize the plant matter--it makes filtration difficult and time consuming. Avoid powdered spices. NEVER add solids to the distillation flask and distill from this. ALWAYS filter as much solid material out as possible before distillation.
Do NOT use copper. Use Pyrex equipment whenever possible. Pyrex is easy to clean, and you can watch the distillation process to see exactly what's happening. You are dealing with vaporizing alcohol, which is VERY dangerous, so, you must be able to keep a close eye on everything.
There is NEVER any reason to use acetone or any other poison to clean your equipment.
Distill first to remove disolved solids, and then distill a second time to get a clean product. The second distillation will go fast and there will be a big difference in the taste.
Do NOT follow instructions from 18th Century manuals, as they are dealing with different equipment and needlessly complicated processes.

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    #3515551 - 12/17/04 10:53 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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No grain alcohol will not take away from the effects. I'd like to say that absinthe is NOT a narcotic or hallucinogen. A properly distilled absinthe basically gives you a dreamy, meditative state of mind.

The way I prepare absinthe is:

I'll distill eau de vie twice until I reach 85%, I then macerate my herbs in this 85% for 12 hours, any more and your absinthe is going to taste like shit. I then throw the whole in my copper alembic, and apply heat. I don't turn the water on for condensing until I reach 60C, a couple of boiling stones will help with the bumping. Distill until you reach 82C, and then change the receiver. Make sure that you have two more receivers, because your going to keep distilling until the clear runnings become cloudy, around 92C. Let the clear runnings rest while you prepare your coloring herbs, then throw the clear runnings, and your coloring herbs back in your alembic. Apply heat, but not to the boiling point, this should only take a couple of minutes. Filter several times, bottle, and let rest. You should let your absinthe rest for at least a couple of months. And thats it.




You're getting this out of some ancient text, and, it's hard for me to believe you've done any of this at all. For one thing, absinthe is definitely an "up" drug, and not "dreamy" or sleepy. Drink too much, and you'll be up for hours. It sounds like you're getting drunk.
I don't know where you're getting this 12-hour deadline for the extraction, either. You can heat the mix and get it done a lot sooner than 12 hours.
The boiling temerature will vary depending on how much water is in the extract as well as how much dissolved solids are present. The numbers you are throwing around have no practical application. The extract will boil at whatever it's boiling point is... period. As the alcohol leaves, and you are left with water and solid material, then the temp will go up. As the temp rises above 90C, much of your alcohol will be gone. You keep distilling until no more oil is present in the distillate. Then you stop. If you are getting a milky distillate at any point, then, you're doing something wrong--most likely too much water and you didn't filter enough of the plant material out. THIS will definitely taste like crap unless you distill it again; and, you should always distill twice for the best result.
You are extracting and distilling the essential oil from a plant, and, there is no big mystery to this. It's a very straightforward procedure. I feel fairly sure that no one on this thread has an alberic, or, any other sort of large, antique, copper apparatus with which to operate; and, I would not suggest they try to build one, either. People reading this post should use modern lab equipment whenever possible. I do not believe in purposefully "mystifying" the process when the audience here seems more interested in simply making absinthe at home rather than recreating the precise, 18th Century set-up.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: lafeeverte]
    #3515610 - 12/17/04 11:13 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Now throw your herbs and your 85% back into your still along with about 600ml of distilled water.




Amateur distillers: Do NOT listen to this guy!!
Only distill from the purest alcohol you can obtain or make. Ideally you should use 100% pure grain alcohol. Never, EVER add water.
This person is trying to recreate some historical technique which was based on very, VERY large copper containers with massive heat sources, and these directions are entirely inappropriate for small stove-top set-ups. Water boils at 100C. If you add too much of it, and your solids content is high, you will not reach boiling point with most conventional, small heat sources. It will produce a dirty distillate which you will have to end up distilling again.

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    #3516054 - 12/18/04 01:27 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

fallacy

Water is your enemy in the distillation process--avoid it.
what do you think you use to cool down your still?

Use whole herbs and do not pulverize the plant matter--it makes filtration difficult and time consuming.
i used to use the old method of seperating carbon from the alcohol, which was neither time comsuming or difficult.

Never add water to the extract or during the distillation process.
i have done that to the alcohol after once i have stilled it and put it back through again, never hurt it at all.

Ideally you should use 100% pure grain alcohol
does not exsist. because the alcohol will always extract water from the air. the most oyu can get is about 98% but that doesn't last long because of the moisture content in the air.

ouzo, was made from herbs added to all grain alcohol then distilled again, so why should this be different?

please if you know so much about it write up your method of doing it from start to finish.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: spudamore]
    #3516585 - 12/18/04 08:14 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

spudamore said:
fallacy

Water is your enemy in the distillation process--avoid it.
what do you think you use to cool down your still?

Duhhh... water is used to cool the coils, of course.
I'm responding to the previous comment about adding water to the extract while distilling it.


Use whole herbs and do not pulverize the plant matter--it makes filtration difficult and time consuming.
i used to use the old method of seperating carbon from the alcohol, which was neither time comsuming or difficult.
No idea what you're talking about here.

Never add water to the extract or during the distillation process.
i have done that to the alcohol after once i have stilled it and put it back through again, never hurt it at all.
No. It won't "hurt" anything. You'll just increase your distillation time.

Ideally you should use 100% pure grain alcohol
does not exsist. because the alcohol will always extract water from the air. the most oyu can get is about 98% but that doesn't last long because of the moisture content in the air.
Which is why I used the word, "Ideally." I also said somewhere, "as pure as possible

ouzo, was made from herbs added to all grain alcohol then distilled again, so why should this be different?
Uhhh.... it's not.

please if you know so much about it write up your method of doing it from start to finish.
I'm not claiming to be the world's leading expert on distilling liquor.
Some people on this thread seemed interested in a fast, easy way to make absinthe at home, and, I am responding to their comments.
Use whatever "method" you wish.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Knight_Templar]
    #3517414 - 12/18/04 03:00 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

No. It won't "hurt" anything. You'll just increase your distillation time.

quite the opposite, less impurites to still.


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    #3517446 - 12/18/04 03:09 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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No. It won't "hurt" anything. You'll just increase your distillation time.

quite the opposite, less impurites to still.



What is the reason for adding water instead of more alcohol?

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    #3517965 - 12/18/04 06:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

if you have more alchol you could try it but you'll end up losing more alcohol than you have put in there.
best to keep it at the same percentage as the same as the wash before it went through the still. which is around 40 percent at full fermentation=5 days. around 20 percent after 1 or 2 days of fermentation.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: spudamore]
    #3518323 - 12/18/04 08:35 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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if you have more alchol you could try it but you'll end up losing more alcohol than you have put in there.
best to keep it at the same percentage as the same as the wash before it went through the still. which is around 40 percent at full fermentation=5 days. around 20 percent after 1 or 2 days of fermentation.



You're adding water because you don't want to lose alcohol? You're processing the oil from the plant--that's your only consideration.
I know that some site on the internet recommends washing the plant material with water and adding water during distillation .
It is the wrong information. The solids dissolve more easily into the water, and you need more heat to bring it to a boil.
I don't understand the fermenting part.
Nothing is getting "fermented."
It's a simple alcohol extraction, then, you distill it.
Try it both ways, and you'll see: once with alcohol, once with alcohol and water.
Using straight alcohol will make things go much, much more quickly.

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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: Knight_Templar]
    #3518509 - 12/18/04 09:40 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

step 1 make alcohol thats why you would have built the still 1st.

step 2 ferment turbo yeast.

step 3 wait 5 days

step 4 distill the wash

step 5 filter through carbon

step 6 seep your indrediants as BBB said

step 7 can try it as it is or cut with water to bring alcohol % down to 45 or around 40 and distill again.

step 8 bottle and get ready to drink absinthe,

who wants just the oil? you'll only get about 5 ml - 10ml for every ounce of fresh plant material. thats what absinthe is ALCOHOL. not just pure thujone oil.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: spudamore]
    #3518783 - 12/18/04 10:45 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Where did you get this recipe for "fermenting" Wormwood, if I may ask?

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    #3518833 - 12/18/04 10:59 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

don't you get those steps?
i never said anything about fermenting wormwood.


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    #3519037 - 12/18/04 11:32 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I think this is someone's idea of a joke.

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    #3519695 - 12/19/04 06:14 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

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Where did you get this recipe for "fermenting" Wormwood, if I may ask?




No, he's fermenting sugar water in step one on his list. If you check the still sites they're starting from scratch. Fermenting sugar water with turbo yeast, and distilling the results. After you got your moonshine toss in the fixings, soak and distill again I guess. Fuck the final coloring soak for a white absinthe or swiss la bleu style I guess. :smile: I haven't done it.


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    #3519706 - 12/19/04 06:26 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Absinthe really intrigues me. I've wanted it for years. And I'm close to wanting to distill it for my own use. But I want to try the stuff first. I've been checking the board and surfing and have come to a conclusion. I want the original shit. I want a vintage bottle of the real fucking shit from the 1800's. Well I don't have $1000. So SOL.

Well, Instead I've discovered a couple artisanal brands. Basically Jade Vintage. This guy Ted is passionate (nuts) about absinthe and has created a couple of styles in the original manner. Even using original Pernod absinthe stills from the 1800's! His recipe for Verte Suisse 65 is really cool. Uses eau de vie (distillation of wine)as base and "...is an absolutely accurate recreation of the original C. F. Berger 65 absinthe verte, and is identical to the fine original down to incredibly minute details."

$106. Or $145 FedExed from London to the US. Well Fuck it. This has been getting Rave Reviews and I think I'm going to cut my teeth on it. Hell I may get a hand blown crystal Absinthe glass to go with it.

Oh yeah, this one is supposed to have very strong ancillary effects as well. You know, the clearheadedness and ability to drink vast sums of alchohol with little negative effects.  :cool: Pricey, yes. But I'm REAL close to ordering this as a Christmas gift to myself.  :wink:


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    #3519770 - 12/19/04 07:47 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

^^^^^^^^ Or I could get an eightball. LOL. :evil:


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    #3519829 - 12/19/04 08:53 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Ah well. I drank enough beers that a $100 bottle of absinthe seemed reasonable. So I bought it and the handblown glass. Sigh. I can still get the eightball though. LOL. Merry Christmas to me! :santaclaus: I need more art in my life anyway.  :smirk:

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    #3520241 - 12/19/04 11:42 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks Tweaker.
There's no advantage to making your own alcohol. Once it has been distilled to a high level of purity, it all tastes the same.
Unless, of course, you just like DOING it for fun.
These absinthe discussions are usually split between two camps: those who want to recreate authentic 19th C. absinthe, and those who want to get f-cked up on a drink based on distilled wormwood. I am in the latter group, and, I think BBB is also, which is why I responded to this thread.
"Real" European absinthe is all regulated as to the amount of wormwood in it. Home-made is always stronger (and cheaper.)
I have no allegience to traditional recipes. I don't particularly care for anise, and, find that mint and citrus flavors work well.
The bottom line is that if you're drinking for effect, home-made is the way to go.

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    #3521439 - 12/19/04 05:28 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

I want to experience a good absinthe to see if it's something I want to pursue as a hobby. Jade is the best the world has to offer now, other than true vintage bottles of the time.

If I like it I would want to use an old recipe as a foundation and try to get a good balance of herbs including Grand Wormwood and Green Anise. And do as they did and distill the plant soak directly into liquor. But we'll see if I like it first.

The secondary effects seem to be energy, clearheadedness, floating feeling, and the ability to drink a whole lot without passing out, from what posters on the absinthe boards say. I know I'll like the effects.  :wink: But taste is important too.


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    #3522117 - 12/19/04 08:30 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

There's no advantage to making your own alcohol.

why would you make a still and not use it to distill alcohol?
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    #3522806 - 12/19/04 11:45 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Tweak:
No, you don't pass out. You're up for as long as you keep drinking it.
So, it's not difficult to drink too much of it. Taking it to the edge can get kind of hairy.
Spud:
That's fine. It's just not worth the effort for me, that's all.

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    #3536847 - 12/23/04 05:54 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well I got my hella expensive absinthe from England today. I'm about 7 drinks into it in the last 2 hours. That's 130 proof. I should be seriously smashed right now. But I'm actually quite lucid.

This stuff smells FANTASTIC. It tastes OK. Not bad and it's growing on me. Bit of licouricey anise taste. The louche is nice and really quite lovely to watch develope after a few. Alcohol buzz is definitely there, but more in the background. This is not a sloppy drunk. Quite energetic and enjoyable. Hell I even read a bit. I can. That's what's amazing.

If this was cheaper and available it would be my preferred drink. You keep it together on this stuff. Too expensive, but a much better drunk. Vive l'absinthe! Pardon my french. But I understand why this was so popular. I would give up beer as my alcohol of choice if this was more available. This stuff rules!

It's funny. As I drink another, my eighth, I can feel the alcohol kicking in first. It comes up in a wave and makes me yawn and think OK this is it I'm going under. But it settles after a few minutes and I'm left with this truly lovely absinthe lucidity. It is truly a beautiful liquor.


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Re: BBB's Absinthe Tek [Re: GoaM]
    #3536852 - 12/23/04 05:57 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Well it's great to hear that you got your bottle without any problems, and that it was worth it! :laugh:

"Bit of licouricey anise taste"

That is why I was thinking about leaving out those ingredients, I can't stand the taste of licorice.  I once had a liquor that had a licorice flavor to it...almost through up after a small glass of it.  Hate the candy too.


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    #3536947 - 12/23/04 06:28 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

HaHa. Yeah. I can understand not digging the anise too much. The smell of the liquor IS beautiful. The anise takes some getting used to. I'm developing a taste for it. There's no way I should be able to drink this much and remain clearheaded. Amazing.


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    #3538302 - 12/24/04 06:51 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Ok. The anise is an acquired taste. One I HAVE acquired. I love this stuff. The smell is AMAZING, the taste is sweet liqourice and flowers, the mouthfeel is full and coating. I love it. This stuff is for alcoholics. The clearheadedness lasts till sleep. I purposefully tried to overdo it and did not black out. And NO HANGOVER. None.

I believe I will be working extra days to acquire more of this stuff. Also those New Zealander Stills are only $325 for a 25 liter still. HMMM. I may become a bootlegger. No sales, low risk. I think, if I do, I'll do the traditional recipes. They had a hundred years to get it right. And from this Jade Verte Suisse 65% I'm saying those bastards got it RIGHT!


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    #3538872 - 12/24/04 10:49 AM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Isn't Absinthe addictive?

Make sure you don't over do it. You sound like your having a great time with it, just don't want you to have a great time too much and end up overpowered by it.


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    #3539873 - 12/24/04 04:26 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

Tweak: Distilling the oil from the plant is not a problem, and, the apparatus is fairly simple to make. Once you do that, then, you can flavor it however you want. The distillate from homemade is much, much stronger than anything you can buy. 8 oz. of distillate (watered down however you wish) will get you fairly wrecked. Some people say that the wormwood doesn't matter: they're wrong. If you live in the US, wormwood only grows in New England, I believe. Most people I know prefer it without the anise.

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    #3539878 - 12/24/04 04:28 PM (19 years, 3 months ago)

As a sidenote: you can extract and distill the oil from cannabis the same way; although, I have not tried this. It would be interesting to have both drinks available and combine the two.

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    #3606964 - 01/10/05 06:46 AM (19 years, 2 months ago)

here you go guys
http://homedistiller.org/vodka.htm
half way down they have recipes for absinthe, excellent read.
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    #4800746 - 10/13/05 08:55 PM (18 years, 5 months ago)

Distilling is not necessary to remove the toxin's from wormwood! Thujone is toxic by itself, however its only toxic when consistently taken into the body in large amounts in a daily regiment. Then that can lead to sezuires!
The problem most people ran into back in the day (1800's) with absinthe is the fact that it usually was not a pure alcoholic drink. Instead of letting the herbs seep in the liquor after distilling the essential oils, for the green color. They would doctor cheap absinthe with copper salts and other chemicals.
Which ultimatly led to the rumors of absinthe sickness.

Much like the Romans and Greeks lining their wine jugs with Lead causeing lead poisioning. The real danger was not in the wormwood, but other chemicals.

And on a side note it is commonly assumed that this is largely the reason for Von Gogh's slide into insanity (doctored absinthe).

Absinthe is a wonderful drink, and for me beats any opiate as far as pain killing is concerned. Two shots of Absinthe and my chronic back pain from a car accident (jack stand failure, I got smooshed a bit by a car while working on it, I had a bruise that traveresed my entire back and left arm) would vanish.

But yes, thujuone is an amazing chemical, but partake moderation because excess can lead to nerve problems.

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    #5657582 - 05/21/06 07:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I found that distilled artemisia extract reduces a hangover.

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    #6121330 - 10/01/06 01:44 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Some theory on fractional distillation.

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    #6413499 - 12/31/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

A clip on type ammeter is handy for checking the amount of current when using a variac and a heating mantel.


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    #6419223 - 01/02/07 05:51 PM (17 years, 2 months ago)

hmm i defiantly use more ingredients something that pissed me off is on history channel there was a guy that makes it with anise,fennel,and wormwood and said thats all you need and that theres no psychological effects. i know one shot of my absinthe causes a mind change and great physical one oh it feels so good


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