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Invisiblesilversoul7
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America--Love it or Leave it
    #3266562 - 10/23/04 01:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

America ? Love It or Leave It

by Harry Browne

April 25, 2003

Until the 20th century, America minded its own business. John Quincy Adams put it very simply: "America does not go abroad in search of monsters to destroy."

But today there are people living here who don't like the American tradition of peace and friendship. They want America to roam the world ? attempting to right all the wrongs ? no matter how often it fails to achieve its utopian goals.

To those people I say, "If you prefer constant aggression and conflict, why don't you go live in Lebanon?"

America was once the land where individual privacy and civil liberties were highly prized, where government had no power to pry into your political associations, your financial transactions, or your luggage.

But today there are those who don't like that American tradition. They say that national power and nation-building are more important than individualism and privacy.

To them I say, "If you prefer nosy government, why don't you go live in China?"

Insecurity

While European, Asian, and Middle Eastern nations fought their endless wars, perpetually invading and being invaded, causing their citizens to live in constant insecurity and fear, Americans could live happy, peaceful lives.

But some people don't want Americans to live that way. They like the state of siege the Bush administration has foisted on us.

To them I say, "If you prefer living in an insecure, armed state, why don't you go live in Israel?"

America was traditionally the land of free markets and free minds.

Now the politicians and bureaucrats want to control every aspect of our lives. Republicans and Democrats alike endorse the endless forms we must fill out, the government's takeover of medicine, and the myriad regulatory agencies.

To those who approve of that I say, "If you prefer big government, why don't you go live in Sweden?"

Americans were always skeptical of their government ? and they still are. Polls routinely show politicians in lower repute than used-car dealers.

But today there are subversive voices telling us to support our government, right or wrong ? telling us we must trust our President, even when it's obvious he's been dispensing false information ? telling us to cheer for the military, even when they're in the wrong place.

To those who claim we must support our Glorious Leader no matter what he does, I say, "If you prefer blind obedience, why don't you go live in Iran?"

The Pot Attacks

What is truly strange is that these critics of the American way of life ? people who prefer the alien values of the Old World ? have the audacity to criticize those of us who love America ? calling us, of all things, "un-American," "unpatriotic," or "anti-American."

Supposedly it is now na?ve, unrealistic, or cowardly to believe in the uniqueness of America. So we are attacked for trying to preserve and restore the very qualities that made America the world's most attractive country.

After all, if we aren't going to be that unique place called America ? the place that was once the beacon of liberty and peace, providing light and hope and inspiration to the whole world ? what's the point of living here?

The critics of America may try to wrap themselves in the American flag, but their allegiance is actually to some other flag. I don't know where they'd be happiest, but it obviously isn't America.

So to those people I say: America ? love it or leave it.


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"It is dangerous to be right when the government is wrong."--Voltaire


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: silversoul7]
    #3266719 - 10/23/04 02:59 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

unfortunately that is not america anymore....and it wont be if the masses re-electe george w. bush. you don't reward bad leadership with 4 more years, you show them the door....and sure maybe u think kerry will be bad, and as much as hannity and limbaugh dispute it, he wont be worse.....if he is bad, get him out in 4 years...mark my words, 4 more years of bush will mean disaster


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: KingOftheThing]
    #3266797 - 10/23/04 03:42 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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KingOftheThing said:
you don't reward bad leadership with 4 more years, you show them the door.



I agree with that, but I think Kerry would be much worse. I won't throw my vote away with a vote for eiither of the two major parties.


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"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniencies attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it." - Thomas Jefferson


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: z@z.com]
    #3266805 - 10/23/04 03:46 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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I think Kerry would be much worse



The key words here are "I think". You dont know. We know what a disaster Bush has been. I'll roll the dice with Kerry. Chances are that he cant possibly be as bad as Bush. And if he is then oh well, we were headed towards disaster anyways. Bush is not the answer. Kerry might be.


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: 1stimer]
    #3266812 - 10/23/04 03:48 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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1stimer said:
Chances are that he cant possibly be as bad as Bush.



Many said the same about Bill Clinton, and that's how we ended up with Bush.


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: silversoul7]
    #3266834 - 10/23/04 03:55 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Many said the same about Bill Clinton, and that's how we ended up with Bush.



What planet are you living on? Bill Clinton never ran against Bush. Bush won the election strictly because of name recognition.


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: 1stimer]
    #3266842 - 10/23/04 04:01 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

The point is that Al Gore was seen as being just an extension of the Clinton administration, and many thought that Bush would be a welcome change in policy(after all, he claimed he was for small government, and against nation-building).


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: silversoul7]
    #3267180 - 10/23/04 09:14 AM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Somebody tell Harry Browne about 9/11.


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: 1stimer]
    #3267586 - 10/23/04 01:42 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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1stimer said:
What planet are you living on? Bill Clinton never ran against Bush.



Bill Clinton defeated incumbent George Bush and third party candidate Ross Perot in the 1992 presidential race.


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: Evolving]
    #3267748 - 10/23/04 02:34 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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Bill Clinton defeated incumbent George Bush and third party candidate Ross Perot in the 1992 presidential race.



Nobody is talking about that bush. In context to this discussion it is obvious we are talking about gw.


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: JesusChrist]
    #3268205 - 10/23/04 04:44 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

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JesusChrist said:
Somebody tell Harry Browne about 9/11.



Somebody tell me how that's relevant. I take it you're going to give me that same old "9/11 changed everything" bullshit.


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Re: America--Love it or Leave it [Re: silversoul7]
    #3268342 - 10/23/04 05:22 PM (12 years, 7 months ago)

Somebody tell SilverSoul about 9/11.


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