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Invisible1stimer
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Why doesnt the military allow women in combat?
    #3266351 - 10/23/04 12:52 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Doesnt make sense to me that you would allow women in the military and not let them fight? Women enjoy the same freedoms as men so why shouldnt they be able to fight for those freedoms?


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3266396 - 10/23/04 01:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Ever seen a woman try and throw a baseball?  Now imagine that's a grenade.  :wink:


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3266400 - 10/23/04 01:02 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Now, in all seriousness, I think they should be allowed in combat, but if I were a woman in the military, I'd be glad that there's this double-standard which decreases my likelihood of getting killed. Of course, I guess that's why I'm not in the military.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3266453 - 10/23/04 01:18 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

If I was a woman afraid of getting killed, i wouldnt join the mililtary. I think it has more to do with sexual tension in combat than anything else. People in the military are primal in nature and cant suppress their urges because the military breeds them to be savage and act on testosterone highs.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3266472 - 10/23/04 01:24 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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1stimer said:
People in the military are primal in nature and cant suppress their urges because the military breeds them to be savage and act on testosterone highs.



Far from it. The military instills discipline in its soldiers so they'll follow orders without question, rather than run away, as they would naturally be inclined to do in many situations. The military gets no benefit from soldiers acting on pure instinct.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3266498 - 10/23/04 01:31 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

From my experience in the military, we were disciplined alright, disciplined to be savage. Slashing bayonettes at dumbys yelling "KILL KILL KILL". "BLOOD BLOOD BLOOD MAKES THE GREEN GRASS GROW". We would march and chant extremely sexist cadence. When authority wasnt around my fellow soldiers would fight, pee on each other and jerk off on other peoples beds. The militarys culture is well known by the military authority and a blind eye is turned. What the culture is portrayed as to the civilian public is propaganda bull shit.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3266527 - 10/23/04 01:40 AM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Well, they allow women on the battlefield, they just dont give them the occupation of infantry. You will see tons of women as medics and such in combat zones, they just do not send them into the heart of battle. Women are trained to fight and there have been a few cases in Iraq where women have had to use their combat skills.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3267481 - 10/23/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Why do non-military people try to tell the military how to change their strategy? Are we losing wars at such a rapid pace that we need a much better plan, such as having weaker people in combat? I hardly think so. "Why does the military use guns, why not hurl rocks! We haven't tried, and even though all signs show that it wouldn't be effective and we'd lose more soldiers, I want hte rocks to feel good about themsleves"

how about you just STFU and let the military do it's job?.

Are we going to stop wars to have menstrual care time?


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3267507 - 10/23/04 01:09 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

the reason they dont allow women in infantry is a psychological issue.



Think about it.  Say a platoon is on a mission.  At one point in the mission, the commander has to make the decision to either forfiet the objective or save one of his soldiers.  Obviously he is supposed to complete the mission at all costs, so he isn't supposed to save the soldier.  But if that soldier happens to be female, he is psychologically a lot more likely to forfiet the mission in order to save her. 


anyway, its really more of a strategy thing than an equal rights thing. 

but I do think women should have to sign up for the draft like I was forced to.  Or maybe no one should have to sign up at all :smile:


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3267515 - 10/23/04 01:12 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

women do not have the physical strength or potential for aggression as men do. men are also very hesitant to send women into situations where they may be killed and this sort of thing is dangerous on a battlefield where people must kill and die. men also tend to lose it when their female comrades are killed by the enemy. the israelis, always desperate for bodies to fill the ranks, have done plenty of experimenting with females in combat roles and have decided to abandon the idea based on some of the factors i listed above.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: ]
    #3267520 - 10/23/04 01:14 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

ba-ha, I beat you to it!


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: retread]
    #3267773 - 10/23/04 02:43 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

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Why do non-military people try to tell the military how to change their strategy?



What are you referring to?
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Are we losing wars at such a rapid pace that we need a much better plan



Hello? Vietnam, Iraq. 1100 dead soldiers, rising insurgency, no end in site.
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"Why does the military use guns, why not hurl rocks! We haven't tried, and even though all signs show that it wouldn't be effective and we'd lose more soldiers, I want hte rocks to feel good about themsleves"




Huh? That was about as incoherent as it gets. Pretty demeaning to women too.
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how about you just STFU.



I thought the moderator was supposed to enforce the no flaming rule. If youd like to try and make me stfu, be my guest. I think your too big a pussy to actually do anything about it. If you werent such a pussy youd be over in Iraq supporting your war.
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and let the military do it's job?



What job would that be?
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Are we going to stop wars to have menstrual care time?



If that would stop this war then maybe we should. You arent too good with the ladies are you?


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3268638 - 10/23/04 06:45 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Also if women were allowed to fill every position in the military that men could, it could easily lead to an equal rights amendment which would not be good at all.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: d33p]
    #3268659 - 10/23/04 06:50 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

men are more expendable.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3269422 - 10/23/04 11:28 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Why do I feel that if this issue was followed to it's logical conclusion, that being women having to register for selective service, their would be bitching about that too?


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: retread]
    #3269425 - 10/23/04 11:29 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

Because when women are captured they get bum raped like jessica lynch... now that's no fun is it...


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: Spongerock]
    #3269435 - 10/23/04 11:32 PM (12 years, 3 months ago)

So men should be allowed, and forced, and women should be allowed, and not forced. Sounds great.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3274397 - 10/25/04 07:25 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

women cannot fight in battle as good as men and lack the ability to contain their emotions. They aren't as strong as men (sorry ladies, gazz) and lack the ability to drag or carry a 250 lb man if need be. There are many important positions they can fill that don't involve shooting.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: Innvertigo]
    #3274735 - 10/25/04 11:24 AM (12 years, 2 months ago)

So should we just allow one superior ethinicity to fight instead of weaker ones? Why should we weaken our military with ethnicitys that are weaker?

Our military doesnt rely on hand to hand combat. We pull triggers and push buttons. Women can push a button just as well as a man. A lot of women are more heroic than men and make sounder decisions. The argument that women are weaker physically is irrelevent in todays army. There are a lot of dangly skinny guys in the military that weigh no more than 130 lbs.
The sexist argument that women would have to stop and change their pads is irrelevant. Men have to stop and take a shit, or in the case of Bush, disapear and help in your fathers campaign.


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Re: Why doesnt the military allow women in combat? [Re: 1stimer]
    #3274839 - 10/25/04 12:16 PM (12 years, 2 months ago)

did you mean to reply to me?

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So should we just allow one superior ethinicity to fight instead of weaker ones? Why should we weaken our military with ethnicitys that are weaker?




Which ethnicity are you referring to? I'm referring to men vs. women. Don't create arguments that are not there.


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Our military doesn't rely on hand to hand combat. We pull triggers and push buttons. Women can push a button just as well as a man.




Hand to hand combat is still used and can be the difference between life and death. Sorry ladies, I don't want you fighting with me.

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A lot of women are more heroic than men and make sounder decisions.




name one. (I'm not saying they couldn't be but I bet you couldn't name one)

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The argument that women are weaker physically is irrelevant in today's army.




Bullshit. Wars still have to be won in the trenches. Women are weaker than men on average and that's just how it is (maybe that's why the military has lower expectations on the physical exams then men). The only people who believe different, for the most part, are those that have never been in the military.

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The sexist argument that women would have to stop and change their pads is irrelevant.




when did I say that? My argument is that they are weaker than men, cannot fight as effectively as men, carry, and overwhelm the men on the other side. Political correctness should not rear it's prissy self in the battlefield. Face it, men and women are different.

I'm glad you're not making the decisions for our military


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