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OfflineCatheriena
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vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates!
    #3265352 - 10/22/04 05:36 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I have searched this stupid town from top to bottom for vermiculite, and no one has it...i just need it to mix with my brown flour substrate....any recommendations for a substitute?? Won't plain light dirt work???? please write back! HELP!

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: Catheriena]
    #3265392 - 10/22/04 05:48 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Go to mycosupply. They will sell and ship cheap and are a sponsor. Also, no. Don't use dirt. Not nutrious for shrooms at all. The verm is mostly there for moisture and as a contam barrier. Dirt wouldn't be good IMO


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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: Catheriena]
    #3265401 - 10/22/04 05:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Where are you looking? I mean may I ask which state you live in, maybe I can help.


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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: CaRnAgECaNdY]
    #3265523 - 10/22/04 06:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

well.... try one of these
hardware stores can also be a good source....


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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: george castanza]
    #3265581 - 10/22/04 06:44 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

its also used as a packageing material at shipping warehouses

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: noxy]
    #3265601 - 10/22/04 06:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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noxy said:
its also used as a packageing material at shipping warehouses


Vermiculite??

No it isn't. Nobody in their right mind would use vermiculite for packing material, the sh!t is nasty to work with.

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: Catheriena]
    #3265604 - 10/22/04 06:51 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

come to think of it in the greenhouse with plant soil
we used to use rice hulls as a substitute
never tried it in a pf tek though
but it might work

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: noxy]
    #3265613 - 10/22/04 06:55 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Might work? Time and effort= maybe?


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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: discman1]
    #3265614 - 10/22/04 06:55 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

no really it is used for packaging

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: noxy]
    #3265623 - 10/22/04 07:00 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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noxy said:
no really it is used for packaging


Got any sources to back that up? There's just no way.

Dry vermiculite is dangerous, you should technically be wearing a face mask when you're working with it. There is no way someone would use it as packaging material. Can you imagine recieving a package, opening it up, to find a cloud of volcanic dust billowing in your face? It's messy and nasty..

It's also more expensive than regular polystyrene packaging peanuts.... It doesen't make any sense.

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: discman1]
    #3265636 - 10/22/04 07:05 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

http://www.hoben.co.uk/vermiculite/packaging.htm
there you go
sources to "back me up"

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: noxy]
    #3265650 - 10/22/04 07:10 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

i was going to back you up on that anyhow....


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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: noxy]
    #3265660 - 10/22/04 07:12 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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noxy said:
http://www.hoben.co.uk/vermiculite/packaging.htm
there you go
sources to "back me up"


I stand corrected, and baffled.  :blush:

I'm betting that this is a UK thing though, I have never heard of such a thing in the US.

That seems mind boggling. I certainly wouldn't want to recieve a package where vermiculite was used as packing material!  :shocked:

Weird.

After a bit of searching, it does look like it's used as packaging material for some things in the US. But mostly for shipping dangerous chemicals where leaks need to be absorbed.

Thanks for the info!

Edited by discman1 (10/22/04 07:19 PM)

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: george castanza]
    #3265672 - 10/22/04 07:16 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

:smile:

Just think if its used as something as dispensible as packaging, and -as whasisname pointed out- polystyrene is cheap as chips, how much is that twat Arthur Bowers making by putting it in 5 litre bags and selling it to poor idiot growers of things like us..


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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: discman1]
    #3265698 - 10/22/04 07:25 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I received a test kit from Dance Safe using vermiculite as packing material around the chemicals. Vermiculite is safe, there's no reason to be worried about inhaling a little dust from it. If you are worried about asbestos in it, if memory serves... that was traced to only one mine, and it was not in all the vermiculite from that mine and no vendors of vermiculite are even using product from that mine anymore.


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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: Evolving]
    #3265719 - 10/22/04 07:32 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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Evolving said:
I received a test kit from Dance Safe using vermiculite as packing material around the chemicals. Vermiculite is safe, there's no reason to be worried about inhaling a little dust from it. If you are worried about asbestos in it, if memory serves... that was traced to only one mine, and it was not in all the vermiculite from that mine and no vendors of vermiculite are even using product from that mine anymore.


No, it's not necessarily the asbestos, but I thought it was generally considered unhealthy to breathe in any particulate matter....

All bags of vermiculite sold in the US do have the asbestos warning on them, though.. regardless of if it is something to worry about or not.

My bag says.. "This product contains vermiculite. Vermiculite may contain asbestos(a chemical which is known to the State of California to cause cancer). The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency states that although consumers face only a minimal health risk from using vermiculite products at home or in their gardens, it is recommended that consumers use vermiculite outdoors or in a well-ventilated area, avoid creating dust by keeping vermiculite damp during use, and avoid bringing dust into the home on clothing."

But yeah, I wasn't trying to be an ass or anything, I just didn't realize that it was used for packaging, and I was thankful for the correction.

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: discman1]
    #3265768 - 10/22/04 07:42 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

i just got a new bag(new brand too!) of verm for kramer it has no warning on it anywhere(other than keep out of reach of children) and incase you would like to call the factory...1-800-366-1383
or  ftd inc.
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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: george castanza]
    #3265792 - 10/22/04 07:50 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

i think its a californa thing
asbestos is still used as insulation in the furnaces used
in the manufacture process of vermiculite but it dosent usually end up in
the final product

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: noxy]
    #3265801 - 10/22/04 07:54 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

I don't live in California, though.. lol

Weird.

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: discman1]
    #3265815 - 10/22/04 07:59 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

go figure LOL  :lol:

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: noxy]
    #3265897 - 10/22/04 08:26 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

Just because someone somewhere on the internets uses vermiculite as packaging doesn't mean it's true. Sure some people may use it, but there is also some people that still believe today that the earth is flat. Also all sources on the internet aren't credible. If this were some shipping company then you'd have your support.


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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: derx]
    #3265920 - 10/22/04 08:30 PM (19 years, 7 months ago)

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derx said:
Just because someone somewhere on the internets uses vermiculite as packaging doesn't mean it's true. Sure some people may use it, but there is also some people that still believe today that the earth is flat. Also all sources on the internet aren't credible. If this were some shipping company then you'd have your support.


True, but.. I was wrong, and I admit it. I honestly had never heard of such a thing, because it seems that, at least in my eyes, the potential health risks far outweigh the benefits. But clearly that is not true in some cases, particularly when shipping hazardous chemicals that need to be absorbed in the event of a leak.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=vermiculite+packaging

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: discman1]
    #3281282 - 10/26/04 07:50 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

I am in the same boat as the poster...

I live in Wichita, KS. I went to 3 Wally worlds, 3 Home Depots, 1 Lowe's and 2 Gardening nurserys... none of them had vermiculite (hell, I didn't see any perlite either, but wasn't looking as close).

local.google.com shows me two websites that mention verm, but don't sell it...

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Re: vermiculite substitute!! Stupid seasonal substrates! [Re: lippy]
    #3281642 - 10/26/04 08:43 PM (19 years, 6 months ago)

i've heard of people using cut up pieces of a paper towel and perlite instead of verm.


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