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ragadinks
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What's that ?
#3259716 - 10/21/04 08:24 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Found some mushrooms in my garden that look like a sort of psilocybe. But since they do not stain blue I am not sure about that (I am no expert in this field...). Maybe someone on this board can give me some hints ? Here are some pics:
The size of the cap was about 5 centimeters and the height about 6 centimeters. They grew on sawdust that was spread over the soil.
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eris
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ragadinks]
#3259728 - 10/21/04 08:30 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Psathyrella comes to mind. What was the cap surface like?
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ragadinks
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Re: What's that ? [Re: eris]
#3259756 - 10/21/04 08:45 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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The caps surface was smooth. I do not think that it is Psathyrella since the cape shape is more umbonate ...
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ragadinks]
#3259805 - 10/21/04 09:08 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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interesting, that first pic looks VERY much like young Psilocybe cyanescens. the mature specimen in your closeups doesn't really look all that much like cyans though, was it from the same place as the shrooms in the first pic? you sure those things in the first pic don't bruise blue man? the way they look, I find it hard to believe that they don't... get a spore print? DH
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Re: What's that ? [Re: spores]
#3259896 - 10/21/04 09:49 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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agreed with DH... that first pic looks strikingly similar to P. cyanescans... the other picked mushrooms look entirely different for some reason... edit: in the first pic, i think i can see some blue staining on 2 of the stems....
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Edited by Psilygirl (10/21/04 09:53 AM)
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ragadinks
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Re: What's that ? [Re: Psilygirl]
#3259994 - 10/21/04 10:23 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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> the mature specimen in your closeups doesn't really look all that much like cyans though, was it from the same place as the shrooms in the first pic? > the other picked mushrooms look entirely different for some reason... The mushroom that is closest to the front on the first pic of the young species actually is the older one - just some days are in between the two pics.
> you sure those things in the first pic don't bruise blue man? the way they look, I find it hard to believe that they don't... > edit: in the first pic, i think i can see some blue staining on 2 of the stems.... Your are right - it actually does bruise blue. But only on the outside. I always thought that they would bruise blue on the places where you have cut them ...
> get a spore print? Yeah, the spore print is kind of chocolate brown.
So it's a P. cyan ?
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ragadinks]
#3259997 - 10/21/04 10:23 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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How about Cortinarius? Isn't that a collapsed cortina in the two rightmost photos?
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ragadinks]
#3260016 - 10/21/04 10:27 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Hmm... That is strange. That first pic does look like cyans but the others seem weird. I also see the staining in the first picture but it should also bruise where you cut it (and touch it, and breath on it, well they usually bruise a lot) Keep us updated, my guess is it's just taking a while to bruise.
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ToxicMan]
#3260022 - 10/21/04 10:28 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Very well could be but cyan veils are cortinarius also.
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Re: What's that ? [Re: @cro]
#3260107 - 10/21/04 10:52 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I looked at my key earlier and assumed that the print was of a dark color. It basically came down to a choice between psilocybe and psathyrella. The texture/moisture of the cap surface and overall durability was the deciding factor. I find some psathyrellas that look much like those in your pics - They don't have a removable gelatinous pellicle but i notice that the ones i find fall apart and snap easily. The ones that I find even look much like cyans but lack the sticky cap quality and the bleuing. The cap shapes on them vary and can have umbos at times, or stretch out to plane. Your location, are you in the PNW?
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Re: What's that ? [Re: eris]
#3260165 - 10/21/04 11:10 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Is it just me or does the bottom left hand pic have some little blue spots on the cap?
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ragadinks
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Re: What's that ? [Re: vandago]
#3261218 - 10/21/04 04:46 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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> How about Cortinarius? Isn't that a collapsed cortina in the two rightmost photos? Not sure if that is a cortina. When you look at this (rather bad) picture of the younger specimen you can see how the cap is connected with the stem by a kind of veil:
> I also see the staining in the first picture but it should also bruise where you cut it > (and touch it, and breath on it, well they usually bruise a lot) > Keep us updated, my guess is it's just taking a while to bruise. The strange thing is that it bruises on the cap when I touch it, but the flesh inside does not turn blue when I cut it but kind of yellow.
> Your location, are you in the PNW? Nope, in Austria/Europe.
> Is it just me or does the bottom left hand pic have some little blue spots on the cap? Your are right. The bluing has even got stronger now.
I will try to take some more pics and keep you updated. Are there some (chemical) test methods where you can find out if that is a psilo ? Or can you recognize it on the spores ?
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ToxicMan]
#3261240 - 10/21/04 04:51 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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I was thinking Cortinarius as well. Shouldn't spore print help narrow it down to a genus?
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ragadinks
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Re: What's that ? [Re: Gumby]
#3261268 - 10/21/04 04:58 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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The spore print is kind of dark brown. But in the light I have now it is hard to tell if it also has a reddish hue. I will try to find it out tomorrow during the day ...
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ragadinks
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ragadinks]
#3264167 - 10/22/04 10:07 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Have taken some new pics from the same patch today. They seem to get all wavy caps with some sort of white stuff around the margin:
P.S.: The color of the spore print is a very dark brown ...
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ragadinks]
#3264254 - 10/22/04 10:36 AM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Are you sure the spore print is brown? In that middle picture and some of your earlier ones I can see, what I believe, to be the spores on what's left of the veil and they look purple to me. I'm going with subs.
Whatever they are they are very purty
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Re: What's that ? [Re: @cro]
#3264587 - 10/22/04 12:17 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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They look like Psilocybes to me.
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ragadinks]
#3264619 - 10/22/04 12:27 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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eris was on the right track.
to help further eliminate Psilocybe; those caps look rather dry, try wetting them and check to see if they are viscid. proceed then to check for a seperable pellicle [try to bend the cap in half (gills facing out) to see if a gelatenous film comes off of part of the cap].
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Re: What's that ? [Re: ragadinks]
#3264859 - 10/22/04 01:39 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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Those new pics are real interesting.. I am anxious to find out what those are...
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Re: What's that ? [Re: @cro]
#3264873 - 10/22/04 01:44 PM (19 years, 5 months ago) |
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They're not Pan subbs, thats for sure. Hrm... Looks Psilocybish except for those webby veil remnants.
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