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Driving while stoned?
    #3261946 - 10/21/04 09:28 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Except that people who drive stoned are likely to be a.) driving slower, and b.) aware they are imparied and thus overcompensate for paying attention, yeilding the result that drivers who use marijuana are less likely then average to be involved in an accident, and also yeilding the result that those who are impaired and in an accident are in an accident at lower speeds.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: tomk]
    #3262006 - 10/21/04 09:39 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Except that people who drive stoned are likely to be a.) driving slower, and b.) aware they are imparied and thus overcompensate for paying attention, yeilding the result that drivers who use marijuana are less likely then average to be involved in an accident,

Balony...

This argument can be used to justify driving while impaired by any substance including alcohol. People who argue otherwise usually change their mind when they lose a friend or relative to an impaired driver.

I'd buy this excuse if I hadn't personally witnessed stoned drivers constantly missing their exits off the highway.

It's irresponsible attitudes like this that fuel the anti-drug hysteria. I'm all for the responsible use of drugs, you have that right; but you do not have the right to endanger others by driving a car while impaired.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262032 - 10/21/04 09:47 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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This argument can be used to justify driving while impaired by any substance including alcohol. People who argue otherwise usually change their mind when they lose a friend or relative to an impaired driver.



Ya know, plenty of people get killed by sober drivers too.

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I'd buy this excuse if I hadn't personally witnessed stoned drivers constantly missing their exits off the highway.



That's more of an inconvenience than a safety hazard. If you miss the exit, you can just take the next exit and turn around.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262038 - 10/21/04 09:49 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

That's more of an inconvenience than a safety hazard. If you miss the exit, you can just take the next exit and turn around.

You're missing my point.

If a stoned driver can miss an exit, he can also miss (hit) a guy crossing the street. :thumbdown:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262042 - 10/21/04 09:50 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

This is not an argument based on my personal experience.

Instead, the argument is based on what researchers found.

When they compared alcohol, marijuana and the control group, those on marijuana drove better compared to both the alcohol and control group.

Because this argument relies on evidence, it cannot be used by those on other substances.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262045 - 10/21/04 09:51 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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If a stoned driver can miss an exit, he can also miss (hit) a guy crossing the street. :thumbdown:



As can a sober driver.  The one time I got in an accident, I was completely sober.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262093 - 10/21/04 10:03 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

As can a sober driver. The one time I got in an accident, I was completely sober.

But a sober driver isn't putting other people at an *increased* risk without their consent. When I get in a car, I assume certain risks involved in driving a car. That risk doesn't include a risk placed on me unwillingly by a selfish stoner who can't be bothered to wait until he gets to his destination to start partying.

A stoner who can't be bothered to wait to get stoned until he gets to his destination is putting others at increased risk without their consent. It is selfish and wrong no matter how you try to justify and rationalize it.

And if I were a narrow-minded anti-drug zealot, this exact attitude would be a great source of firepower against the rest of us who chose to use drugs responsibly.

Do you advocate drunk driving too? :thumbdown:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: tomk]
    #3262103 - 10/21/04 10:06 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

When they compared alcohol, marijuana and the control group, those on marijuana drove better compared to both the alcohol and control group.

That was *one* study and the results have never been reproduced. All other studies have shown that stoned drivers are impaired and drive worse stoned than sober.

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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262111 - 10/21/04 10:09 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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As can a sober driver. The one time I got in an accident, I was completely sober.

But a sober driver isn't putting other people at an *increased* risk without their consent. When I get in a car, I assume certain risks involved in driving a car. That risk doesn't include a risk placed on me unwillingly by a selfish stoner who can't be bothered to wait until he gets to his destination to start partying.

A stoner who can't be bothered to wait to get stoned until he gets to his destination is putting others at increased risk without their consent. It is selfish and wrong no matter how you try to justify and rationalize it.

And if I were a narrow-minded anti-drug zealot, this exact attitude would be a great source of firepower against the rest of us who chose to use drugs responsibly

Do you advocate drunk driving too? :thumbdown:



Only if you can handle it(I can't).


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262112 - 10/21/04 10:09 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

I think this thread has been driven off topic by stoners.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262143 - 10/21/04 10:14 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

So, tell me something...

If you kill someone's sister while driving stoned, what would you say to the fammily?

"Uhm... sorry.  But you know, chances are I would have accidentally run her over any way even if I'd been sober."

I can't believe I'm in S&P of all places arguing against a proponent of driving impaired.  :sad:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262156 - 10/21/04 10:17 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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So, tell me something...

If you kill someone's sister while driving stoned, what would you say to the fammily?



I would sincerely apologize for my wreckless driving, and would take full accountability for it, instead of blaming it on the drug.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262163 - 10/21/04 10:19 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

I would sincerely apologize for my wreckless driving, and would take full accountability for it, instead of blaming it on the drug.

I see. So you're immune to the effects of drugs.

Hmm...


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262169 - 10/21/04 10:20 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Driving impaired on any substance other than serotonin is just plain foolish.  :thumbdown: :thumbdown:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262176 - 10/21/04 10:21 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

It could be said that driving on LSD is safer than drunk driving, and marijuana is not as much of an impairment as alcohol, BUT any impairment is too much in that situation, though, this now seems somewhat off topic.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262182 - 10/21/04 10:22 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

No, I take the effects of drugs into account. I wouldn't drive after taking 5 shots of Tequila, but I know that I can still drive after 2 beers. Similarly, I wouldn't get in the driver's seat right after taking gravity bong hits, but I know I can handle a bowl or two and still drive ok. It's called knowing your limits.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: psyka]
    #3262200 - 10/21/04 10:25 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

"This argument can be used to justify driving while impaired by any substance including alcohol. People who argue otherwise usually change their mind when they lose a friend or relative to an impaired driver."

What about all of the people killed due to 'unimpared' driving? Does this mean that we should always impair ourselves before we drive? :laugh:

Maybe there is no relationship between impairment (due to being high) and the actual cause of the accidents, and rather they are based on the probability of the two premises: a) many accidents occur and b) many people smoke marijuana occruing in the same case.

I've actually read of a study where high drivers recorded slower driving speeds and more cautious habits, and while their reaction time was slightly less, this slowness and cautiousness more than made up for it in less accidents than sober drivers. I don't know the source unfortunately :frown:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262209 - 10/21/04 10:26 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

I can still drive after 2 beers.

So can I, but we'd both be impaired and selfishly inflicting an increased risk of injury and death on others who have nothing to do with our partying.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: deff]
    #3262228 - 10/21/04 10:29 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

I've actually read of a study where high drivers recorded slower driving speeds and more cautious habits, and while their reaction time was slightly less, this slowness and cautiousness more than made up for it in less accidents than sober drivers. I don't know the source unfortunately

For those with short attention spans, I'll repeat what I said above:

That was *one* study and the results have never been reproduced. All other studies have shown that stoned drivers are impaired and drive worse stoned than sober.

If you say otherwise, please provide a citation to the study.


This discussion is absurd. I'm arguing with people who advocate driving a car while impaired.

I'm done with this discussion.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262235 - 10/21/04 10:31 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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I can still drive after 2 beers.

So can I, but we'd both be impaired and selfishly inflicting an increased risk of injury and death on others who have nothing to do with our partying.



I know what I can handle, and if I have consumed something, I watch my driving more carefully. It's recklessness that's most likely to cause an accident, sober or not.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262236 - 10/21/04 10:31 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

ANY driving is selfishly inflicting a risk on others.

Certain impairments increase this considerably, but to be honest, I don't think small amounts of marijuana do, and infact I've read of a study even proving the reverse. Of course, don't take this study as an argument, as I have no idea what the source would be (twas many months ago). :smile:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: deff]
    #3262244 - 10/21/04 10:32 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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deff said:
ANY driving is selfishly inflicting a risk on others.



:thumbup: :thumbup: :cheers:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262252 - 10/21/04 10:34 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

let's go drink and drive to celebrate!!!1 :laugh:

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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: deff]
    #3262267 - 10/21/04 10:36 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: tomk]
    #3262437 - 10/21/04 11:08 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Hum............ I never drink and drive but, for 20 years I have been smoking weed and driving.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262452 - 10/21/04 11:11 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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That was *one* study and the results have never been reproduced. All other studies have shown that stoned drivers are impaired and drive worse stoned than sober.




As far as I am aware, that was the only study done on the subject of comparing the effects of marijuana and alcohol intoxication on driving.

Where are these other studies you speak of? Links?


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: trendal]
    #3262498 - 10/21/04 11:18 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

i've driven stoned for about 2 years now.  I find that I tend to drive about 5mph under the speed limit pretty consistently.  Unless i'm listening to some old metallica, then I'm usually speeding :smile:

I haven't had a single run-in with the law, nor gotten even close to any accidents or fender-benders.  As long as you pay attention to the road and not too much to what's going on in the car I don't believe it affects your motor skills at all.


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: tomk]
    #3262530 - 10/21/04 11:22 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Don't drive when you first start smoking

and the first time you drive stoned, make sure it is on a backroad with not alot of traffic...


Driving stoned in control = ALOT safer then sober


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Rambone]
    #3262541 - 10/21/04 11:24 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

According to the ONLY study on the subject that I know of...marijuana only MARGINALLY impairs one of ten driving skills: "tracking ability" is what they called it, I think. It's the ability to constantly follow the yellow line around an S-curve in the road.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: trendal]
    #3262564 - 10/21/04 11:29 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Or they can not see a big truck coming towards you and turn and get you almost killed and get his car totaled.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: trendal]
    #3262585 - 10/21/04 11:31 PM (17 years, 5 days ago)

I've seen some people have trouble with that, yesh.



There is nothing like driving around the perfectly straight flat roads around Rochester at 1 in the morning with the stereo cranked, high as shit :smile:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Rambone]
    #3262887 - 10/22/04 12:29 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

I agree, driving when stoned makes me a much better driver. I am constantly checking my speed, checking if I'm exactly in the middle of my lane, checking to make sure I do everything perfect. I think it's my paranoia more than anything, because I REALLY don't want to get pulled over when I'm stoned. Either way though, I definitely drive better, and much safer when I'm stoned.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Paper_St]
    #3263494 - 10/22/04 04:00 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

yeah i tend to drive at the speed limit and yell and cuss alot less at stupid drivers when im stoned.

If everyone was stoned road rage would be a thing of the past.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3263709 - 10/22/04 05:54 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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If you kill someone's sister while driving stoned, what would you say to the fammily?

"Uhm... sorry. But you know, chances are I would have accidentally run her over any way even if I'd been sober."





Does that make it WORSE?

"Gee, I'm sure sad Billy was killed by that guy. At least he was sober, though!"

you hit someone with your car, you fucked up. whether you're sober or high. one is not worse than the other.

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So can I, but we'd both be impaired and selfishly inflicting an increased risk of injury and death on others who have nothing to do with our partying.




And I call bullshit on being impaired after 2 beers.
I've known people who could barely stand after 2 beers.. and I've known people who can down a case before they start to slur in the slightest.
Are they both equally impaired after 2 beers?

Driving while stupid is a far greater threat than driving while intoxicated.
There's usually several accidents a day around here on the highways. What causes them?
Not alcohol, and not pot. Idiots in a hurry. Idiots who can't yield, who race up on-ramps and merge lanes because the highway traffic itself is backed up. Why is it backed up? Because when those idiots run out of road, they force their way onto the highway.

When we're behind the wheel, IDIOTS are a far greater threat to us than alcohol, marijuana, LSD and mushrooms combined.

Join with me in eliminating idiots.. buy me a roof-mounted machinegun for my car..


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3263770 - 10/22/04 07:45 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

only problame i can think of when driving while stoned is in case some IDIOT does something unexpected on the road and i can't react in time...

there was this one time i drove very stoned on the highway at 3:30 AM and i know that highway pretty damn good but for the life of me i couldn't tell where i was (part of the time anyway) all i knew was that i'm going the right way and i'll get home... the reason i had such difficulty finding out where i am was simple... i was too aware of the road infront of me and constantly looking out for other drivers so that i won't fuck up... i arrived safely home!
i'm not sure i'd drive that stoned again unless i have to though...

what's defently worse then driving stoned is driving tired... and most people dont EVER give THAT a thought... they just assume it's gonna be alright when infact it's much worse then driving stoned or after a few beers!

all in all... if you're a responsible person and you know your limits and how you drive it shouldn't be such a big deal...


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Simisu]
    #3263778 - 10/22/04 08:02 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

The only studies I've seen on the subject read that marijuana only impaired driving ability when a) the user had no practice driving while stoned and/or b) the user was on a higher dose than what he/she was used to. Seems true enough from my personal experience.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Hooty]
    #3263833 - 10/22/04 09:09 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

Obviously some drugs have different effects on driving skills. To my knowledge, there is no real evidence that marijuana increases the changes of having an accident (unlike alcohol). Many people drive on mind-altering substances. Caffeine, ritalin, dexedrine, SSRI's...the list goes on.

I don't think you should drive while under the influence of anything...but that's just my OPINION. I've been in cars many times with friends who were stoned, and haven't been in any accidents. On the other hand, I would NEVER get into a car with someone who had been drinking more than I thought they should.


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: tomk]
    #3263835 - 10/22/04 09:10 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: tomk]
    #3263857 - 10/22/04 09:48 AM (17 years, 5 days ago)

there are individuals who can drive stoned, but there are certainly more people (in my experience) that have no right to be behind the wheel stoned.

Once again, broad generalizations make an argument that might be sound (if worded differently/specifically) into complete ignorant BS.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3264245 - 10/22/04 12:34 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

I know what I can handle, and if I have consumed something, I watch my driving more carefully. It's recklessness that's most likely to cause an accident, sober or not.
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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3264783 - 10/22/04 03:09 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

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If you kill someone's sister while driving stoned, what would you say to the fammily?


you hit someone with your car, you fucked up. whether you're sober or high. one is not worse than the other.






I dunno if I agree with that man. If you willingly ingest a mind-altering substance, and if that substance is a contributing factor to an accident, I think that's a fuckload worse than making a human error.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Rambone]
    #3264872 - 10/22/04 03:44 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

I drive stoned all the time....i dont drive on any other substance period....I honestly believe i drive safer and i know for a fact that i am much more patient, always drive the speed limit (or slower), I never get road rage, i've never been in an accident, and i never zone out and always pay attention to the road and whats happening around me....on the other hand everything that i have just forementioned has happend many times while driving sober....those are my 2 cents now i hope people don't start yelling at me


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Rambone]
    #3264934 - 10/22/04 04:01 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

I don't like driving in traffic, ever, and don't smoke before I do if I have to. But, for long highway drives, I like to smoke beforehand - I don't think it's particularly dangerous, and it makes the time go much easier.

I searched for the studies online, just now.
In the early 90s, a study conducted on Dutch drivers found that low doses of marijuana were pretty safe, partially due to increased care taken by drivers, and that high doses of marijuana were still safer than very low doses of alcohol. Additionally, marijuana users were aware of their impairment while alcohol users reported minimal impairment of their driving ability while observers found that their ability was in fact impaired.
read about it here:
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving3.shtml#references


I also found this brief report of a later study on the NIDA website:
http://www.drugabuse.gov/NIDA_Notes/NNVol11N1/Marijuana.html
(the guy with the bow tie reminds me of the cockroach guy from Fear and Loathing)
Basic idea - they found that smoking marijuana impairs performance on tests of coordination and ballance, such as touching the nose and standing on one foot, that are predictors for driving ability.

Although the study behind the NIDA report may or may not have been well-performed, it is worth reading the report itself, because it shows the sort of unfocused, confused thinking that is promoted by proponents of the drug war.


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    #3265075 - 10/22/04 06:25 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: blink]
    #3265183 - 10/22/04 06:49 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

Driving high is not only "okay" it is required. Some people are pussies and dont have enough confidence in themselves, but pot has only made me drive slower, more attentively, and less aggressively. It is also a great pastime to get high while your driving down a country road, not many things can beat that.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: phi1618]
    #3265360 - 10/22/04 07:38 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

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Basic idea - they found that smoking marijuana impairs performance on tests of coordination and ballance, such as touching the nose and standing on one foot, that are predictors for driving ability.




that's another thing that bugs me
I have, admittedly, poor balance. At least when I'm not moving.. it's not like I topple over when I'm running or something, back in the day I could throw out jukes and spin in circles while running.. but standing still, my balance is off.
Fortunately while you're in a car.... that doesn't matter. You're sitting down, and you'd have to have some real poor balance to topple over while sitting down.

Bleh. Worst field sobriety test ever. Almost as bad as the alphabet backwards (which I can't do sober either)

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Re: Driving while stoned? *DELETED* [Re: tomk]
    #3265362 - 10/22/04 07:39 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3265600 - 10/22/04 08:50 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

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Do you advocate drunk driving too? :thumbdown:




Drunk driving and driving stoned are two completely different things and studies have shown that, so what are you talking about?


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: flimsdale]
    #3265761 - 10/22/04 09:40 PM (17 years, 4 days ago)

I really think everyone should be aware of themselves and their specific abilities...this is really the key here. Some people can do just about anything and still drive fine, some people can't drive fine sober, this is really a pointless argument as it's different for everyone. They key here is know thyself.


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: PJDIDDLE]
    #3267359 - 10/23/04 12:05 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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Any way my point is that the same thing goes with pot. I drove under the influence of marijuana for a few years and never had any negative run-ins. Wile at the same time I had a buddy that straight up ran over the hood of some ladies car wile he was taking a turn, a few months later he totaled his car. Both times he was high, and it wasn?t a tolerance thing, this guy is a straight up pot head. I don?t blame marijuana I blame the specific affect it had on him. Drugs affect everybody differently (EVEN MARIJUANA!). Coming out and deeming it safe to drive under the influence of marijuana is a dangerous statement, you never know who is reading on the other end.

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Have you ever thought that maybe your friend is just a really bad driver? YOu said that he smokes a lot, could it not just be coincidence that both accidents were while stoned?


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: tomk]
    #3269320 - 10/23/04 10:48 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

I think most of you proponents of impaired driving would be reluctant to get in an airliner with a stoned pilot because it's your life being put at risk and not some inocent person's life who you don't know or care about. Think about that. :whoa:


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: Diploid]
    #3269377 - 10/23/04 11:13 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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I think most of you proponents of impaired driving would be reluctant to get in an airliner with a stoned pilot because it's your life being put at risk and not some inocent person's life who you don't know or care about. Think about that. :whoa:



If it affected his flying skills the same way it affected my driving, I wouldn't be worried at all.  At worst, the flight would be a few minutes late getting to its destination.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3269420 - 10/23/04 11:27 PM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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As can a sober driver. The one time I got in an accident, I was completely sober.

But a sober driver isn't putting other people at an *increased* risk without their consent. When I get in a car, I assume certain risks involved in driving a car. That risk doesn't include a risk placed on me unwillingly by a selfish stoner who can't be bothered to wait until he gets to his destination to start partying.

A stoner who can't be bothered to wait to get stoned until he gets to his destination is putting others at increased risk without their consent. It is selfish and wrong no matter how you try to justify and rationalize it.

And if I were a narrow-minded anti-drug zealot, this exact attitude would be a great source of firepower against the rest of us who chose to use drugs responsibly

Do you advocate drunk driving too? :thumbdown:



Only if you can handle it(I can't).




A friend of mine can drive perfectly drunk or stoned.  I wouldn't want to try this.  I don't drink often but it seems like when I do drink, I get DRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNK  as FUCK ...


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    #3269973 - 10/24/04 02:33 AM (17 years, 3 days ago)

yeah, im not going to read this whole thread. it is dangerous to drive stoned. i used to do it all the time. whenever i had a long trip (every few days) i would smoke a big ass bowl. and i was like, oh, i drive fine, la la la. and then i had a friend in the car who was like, dude, you are driving like shit. and i was like, no no, i am fine. and i got lost all the fucking time. and finally i hit an animal and i am like, you know what? i am a fucking dumbshit to think i can drive just fine. i was not weaving all over the fucking road or anything, but my reactions and directions were shit, like any other smoking person. any one study can say any fucking thing. driving stoned is a bad choice. there is a reason they call it getting "fucked up" not "getting high to drive better."


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Re: driving stoned [Re: mushieangel]
    #3269990 - 10/24/04 02:37 AM (17 years, 3 days ago)

I don't call it "getting fucked up". I call it "getting high". As does, well, everyone I know.

We reserve the sacred "getting fucked up" phrase for the TRUE drug to get fucked up on: alcohol :wink:

Let's put it this way: driving impaired is a dangerous thing to do and a bad idea on any day.


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: silversoul7]
    #3270069 - 10/24/04 03:03 AM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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If it affected his flying skills the same way it affected my driving, I wouldn't be worried at all. At worst, the flight would be a few minutes late getting to its destination. 




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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: Diploid]
    #3270306 - 10/24/04 04:06 AM (17 years, 3 days ago)

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I think most of you proponents of impaired driving would be reluctant to get in an airliner with a stoned pilot because it's your life being put at risk and not some inocent person's life who you don't know or care about. Think about that.




I don't really ride in people's cars that I don't know. Everyone I've ridden with who's driven stoned, I personally know and personally know they're fine.
But would I get on the plane? pff yeah. those things mostly fly themselves anyway.

Anyone who believes that smoking pot impairs your reaction speed, to you I issue this challenge.
Play me in a twitch-based video game. I don't have smoke right now, staying clean for a test, but I'll let you know when the test can take place.
Play me sober, and then play me stoned.
Tekken, FPS, RTS, you name it.
And then tell me if I beat you worse the first time around or the second..
and I already know what the answer will be.

Now, let's go outside and play some football. Same situation.. I'm tall and lanky so I usually get stuck as a reciever. Tell me which time I'm runnin around more agile and reacting better to what's happening around me. I already know the answer to this, also.

Now try and surprize me, say, while I'm reading a book. Tell me which time I was quicker to respond to what happened. This, too, I already know. Sober I most likely will not notice -anything-, stoned you'll get a delayed "whhat?"

Marijuana -CAN- slow your reaction time.. but I do not believe that to be a result of the drug itself, but rather a result of the state of mind it produces. When you're relaxed and tuning out and mellow and straight chillin.. you don't react fast. When you're high and doing something, it's not the same.

Christ almighty if you think pot makes you slow, explain hacky sack. explain it! bah.


It's not a good idea for everyone -- but driving's not a good idea for everyone. Lots of idiots, yanno. As I've said. Lots of people who aren't idiots also probably shouldn't drive stoned -- but there's plenty of folk that I do not believe are noticably adversly affected by it.


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: Diploid]
    #3270629 - 10/24/04 06:28 AM (17 years, 3 days ago)

This discussion is absurd. I'm arguing with people who advocate driving a car while impaired.

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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: BowlKiller]
    #3271234 - 10/24/04 01:51 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

I thought you were done with the discussion.

I was done with it when it was off-topic in S&P.  But then you wouldn't know that because you participate only in the easy forums, like OTD.  :tongue:

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/percent.php?who=105596

To continue with the discussion, I've been a licensed pilot for almost 20 years and despite my fairly extensive experience, I would not even taxi an airplane while stoned.


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: Diploid]
    #3271686 - 10/24/04 04:18 PM (17 years, 2 days ago)

What does hacky sack have to do with this? haha


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