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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262236 - 10/21/04 10:31 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

ANY driving is selfishly inflicting a risk on others.

Certain impairments increase this considerably, but to be honest, I don't think small amounts of marijuana do, and infact I've read of a study even proving the reverse. Of course, don't take this study as an argument, as I have no idea what the source would be (twas many months ago). :smile:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: deff]
    #3262244 - 10/21/04 10:32 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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deff said:
ANY driving is selfishly inflicting a risk on others.



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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3262252 - 10/21/04 10:34 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

let's go drink and drive to celebrate!!!1 :laugh:

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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: deff]
    #3262267 - 10/21/04 10:36 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: tomk]
    #3262437 - 10/21/04 11:08 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

Hum............ I never drink and drive but, for 20 years I have been smoking weed and driving.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3262452 - 10/21/04 11:11 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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Diploid said:
That was *one* study and the results have never been reproduced. All other studies have shown that stoned drivers are impaired and drive worse stoned than sober.




As far as I am aware, that was the only study done on the subject of comparing the effects of marijuana and alcohol intoxication on driving.

Where are these other studies you speak of? Links?


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: trendal]
    #3262498 - 10/21/04 11:18 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

i've driven stoned for about 2 years now.  I find that I tend to drive about 5mph under the speed limit pretty consistently.  Unless i'm listening to some old metallica, then I'm usually speeding :smile:

I haven't had a single run-in with the law, nor gotten even close to any accidents or fender-benders.  As long as you pay attention to the road and not too much to what's going on in the car I don't believe it affects your motor skills at all.


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: tomk]
    #3262530 - 10/21/04 11:22 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

Don't drive when you first start smoking

and the first time you drive stoned, make sure it is on a backroad with not alot of traffic...


Driving stoned in control = ALOT safer then sober


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Rambone]
    #3262541 - 10/21/04 11:24 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

According to the ONLY study on the subject that I know of...marijuana only MARGINALLY impairs one of ten driving skills: "tracking ability" is what they called it, I think. It's the ability to constantly follow the yellow line around an S-curve in the road.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: trendal]
    #3262564 - 10/21/04 11:29 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

Or they can not see a big truck coming towards you and turn and get you almost killed and get his car totaled.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: trendal]
    #3262585 - 10/21/04 11:31 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

I've seen some people have trouble with that, yesh.



There is nothing like driving around the perfectly straight flat roads around Rochester at 1 in the morning with the stereo cranked, high as shit :smile:


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Rambone]
    #3262887 - 10/22/04 12:29 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

I agree, driving when stoned makes me a much better driver. I am constantly checking my speed, checking if I'm exactly in the middle of my lane, checking to make sure I do everything perfect. I think it's my paranoia more than anything, because I REALLY don't want to get pulled over when I'm stoned. Either way though, I definitely drive better, and much safer when I'm stoned.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Paper_St]
    #3263494 - 10/22/04 04:00 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

yeah i tend to drive at the speed limit and yell and cuss alot less at stupid drivers when im stoned.

If everyone was stoned road rage would be a thing of the past.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Diploid]
    #3263709 - 10/22/04 05:54 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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If you kill someone's sister while driving stoned, what would you say to the fammily?

"Uhm... sorry. But you know, chances are I would have accidentally run her over any way even if I'd been sober."





Does that make it WORSE?

"Gee, I'm sure sad Billy was killed by that guy. At least he was sober, though!"

you hit someone with your car, you fucked up. whether you're sober or high. one is not worse than the other.

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So can I, but we'd both be impaired and selfishly inflicting an increased risk of injury and death on others who have nothing to do with our partying.




And I call bullshit on being impaired after 2 beers.
I've known people who could barely stand after 2 beers.. and I've known people who can down a case before they start to slur in the slightest.
Are they both equally impaired after 2 beers?

Driving while stupid is a far greater threat than driving while intoxicated.
There's usually several accidents a day around here on the highways. What causes them?
Not alcohol, and not pot. Idiots in a hurry. Idiots who can't yield, who race up on-ramps and merge lanes because the highway traffic itself is backed up. Why is it backed up? Because when those idiots run out of road, they force their way onto the highway.

When we're behind the wheel, IDIOTS are a far greater threat to us than alcohol, marijuana, LSD and mushrooms combined.

Join with me in eliminating idiots.. buy me a roof-mounted machinegun for my car..


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Mushmonkey]
    #3263770 - 10/22/04 07:45 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

only problame i can think of when driving while stoned is in case some IDIOT does something unexpected on the road and i can't react in time...

there was this one time i drove very stoned on the highway at 3:30 AM and i know that highway pretty damn good but for the life of me i couldn't tell where i was (part of the time anyway) all i knew was that i'm going the right way and i'll get home... the reason i had such difficulty finding out where i am was simple... i was too aware of the road infront of me and constantly looking out for other drivers so that i won't fuck up... i arrived safely home!
i'm not sure i'd drive that stoned again unless i have to though...

what's defently worse then driving stoned is driving tired... and most people dont EVER give THAT a thought... they just assume it's gonna be alright when infact it's much worse then driving stoned or after a few beers!

all in all... if you're a responsible person and you know your limits and how you drive it shouldn't be such a big deal...


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Simisu]
    #3263778 - 10/22/04 08:02 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

The only studies I've seen on the subject read that marijuana only impaired driving ability when a) the user had no practice driving while stoned and/or b) the user was on a higher dose than what he/she was used to. Seems true enough from my personal experience.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: Hooty]
    #3263833 - 10/22/04 09:09 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

Obviously some drugs have different effects on driving skills. To my knowledge, there is no real evidence that marijuana increases the changes of having an accident (unlike alcohol). Many people drive on mind-altering substances. Caffeine, ritalin, dexedrine, SSRI's...the list goes on.

I don't think you should drive while under the influence of anything...but that's just my OPINION. I've been in cars many times with friends who were stoned, and haven't been in any accidents. On the other hand, I would NEVER get into a car with someone who had been drinking more than I thought they should.


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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: tomk]
    #3263835 - 10/22/04 09:10 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

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Re: Driving while stoned? [Re: tomk]
    #3263857 - 10/22/04 09:48 AM (17 years, 8 days ago)

there are individuals who can drive stoned, but there are certainly more people (in my experience) that have no right to be behind the wheel stoned.

Once again, broad generalizations make an argument that might be sound (if worded differently/specifically) into complete ignorant BS.


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Re: Help get Shroomism out of jail. [Re: silversoul7]
    #3264245 - 10/22/04 12:34 PM (17 years, 8 days ago)

I know what I can handle, and if I have consumed something, I watch my driving more carefully. It's recklessness that's most likely to cause an accident, sober or not.
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