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OfflineGloryOfBlaze
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Ever read this book?
    #3261933 - 10/21/04 09:23 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Has anyone ever read, The Center Of The Cyclone? I forget who wrote it I have not read it in a few years! I was just trying to get opinions on it,And if they share the same beliefs as he did!
Thanx Bye


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: GloryOfBlaze]
    #3263026 - 10/22/04 12:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I believe that was written by John Lilly. I don't remember much about it, as I was heavily self medicated at the time.


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To call humans 'rational beings' does injustice to the term, 'rational.'  Humans are capable of rational thought, but it is not their essence.  Humans are animals, beasts with complex brains.  Humans, more often than not, utilize their cerebrum to rationalize what their primal instincts, their preconceived notions, and their emotional desires have presented as goals - humans are rationalizing beings.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: GloryOfBlaze]
    #3263047 - 10/22/04 01:04 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Dr. Lilly self injected with ketamine every day for a year. DrJ and/or Alex123 might appear out of the shadows to defend him, but Lilly was a brilliant JUNKIE. His conclusions may or may not be valid, but his methodology for arriving at truth is certainly suspect.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: Swami]
    #3264136 - 10/22/04 11:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

the center of the cyclone
the dyadic cyclone
the scientist
et seq.

john cunningham lilly, m.d.

he was contracted to discover what would happen to ummmm test pilots (ok, ok, astronauts...) were to be in someplace dark, quiet, far away from other humans, and weightless...
and rather than make guesses, he tried to duplicate the described conditions...
and out of those experiments came the NIMH monograph _programming and metaprogramming in the human biocomputer_

from his personal journals of the same time & a bit later came his book _the center of the cyclone_ in which he describes his work with dolphins, inventing the float tank, taking drugs (lsd, k), encountering 2 spirit guides, teaching at esalen institute, studying at arica institute,& other fun stuff...

(hollywood note: a few manuscript versions of "tCotC" were floating around LA prior to publishing, and screenwriter/novelist paddy cheyevsky read it & "came up with the idea" for movie (& novel) "altered states"... that is all...)


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: gnrm23]
    #3264857 - 10/22/04 03:39 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry i disagree about being a brilliant JUNKIE! I have read plenty of things he has written, I fully believe he had legit ways of testing, rather than just making assumptions on what he thought would happen he duplicated enviroments ,(the water tank floating quiet and weightless) I thought that was a good method of doing. He also allegedly met up with two spirit guides which i guess helped and led him through some experiances that had occured.. Any how i would like to keep relevant discusion on this matter live! I am very involved with the Ego And altwer Ego , it fascinates me! Please continue the thoughts!


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: GloryOfBlaze]
    #3264882 - 10/22/04 03:45 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

thank you all for your responses...Would anybody be able to tell me if he is still around studying,practing, teaching, or what not. It would be greatly appreciated!


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: GloryOfBlaze]
    #3265044 - 10/22/04 06:17 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

He's worm food.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: GloryOfBlaze]
    #3265327 - 10/22/04 07:29 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry i disagree about being a brilliant JUNKIE!

To which part do you disagree?


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: Swami]
    #3265499 - 10/22/04 08:22 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Haha.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: deff]
    #3266130 - 10/22/04 11:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Junkie is a disrespectful word usually used with contempt and originally aimed at heroin addicts.
Junk = heroin.
Junkie = heroin user.

Today the word 'junkie' is often used in succession with other words like television(tv junkie), book, road, work, sex, and internet, to refer to an unordinary inclination to the above terms.

Addressing the word 'junkie' at someone who made a lifelong commitment to share knowledge and enlightenment and proved a contributory member of society shows a bit of ignorance and hypocrisy, IMO, especially when we each have our own array of vices. But respect is pretty rare nowadays so...whatever.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: GloryOfBlaze]
    #3266138 - 10/22/04 11:47 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Lilly had a great idea though...drop acid and hit the isolation chamber. Maybe a little Pink Floyd would have helped.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #3266487 - 10/23/04 01:27 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I stand corrected; mainlining a purified white powder every day for over a year is not indicative of any type of chemical addiction and is physically and socially desirable.  :rolleyes:

Stating a FACT is not indicative of either respect nor disrespect; it just IS.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: Swami]
    #3266913 - 10/23/04 04:56 AM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Dr.Lily had already done the bulk of his ground-breaking work before he became ensnared by ketamine.
He also did not introduce lsd into his tank work until several years after his initial findings.

He did have some chemical dependance upon ketamine, but it was more of a personal issue as it came years after his works on the isolation chamber and dolphins had been published.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: Jellric]
    #3267417 - 10/23/04 12:33 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

dr lilly called it being "seduced by K"...


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: Jellric]
    #3267425 - 10/23/04 12:36 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Ya, it's a shame subjectivity allows some to grovel in the dark side of the spectrum of a life of a brilliant man whose life and work kept him at the forefront of human knowledge.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #3267582 - 10/23/04 01:37 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I spoke of both aspects. What is a shame is denial.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: Swami]
    #3267594 - 10/23/04 01:48 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

I agree. Too bad some people in denial and too busy pointing fingers at him to appreciate the fact that without his work our world would be worse off than it is already.

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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: wandrnshaman]
    #3267739 - 10/23/04 02:32 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

Where do you come up with that statement? Are you hallucinating words that were never written? Poor reading comprehension is nothing to be proud of.


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: GloryOfBlaze]
    #3268202 - 10/23/04 04:44 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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GloryOfBlaze said:
Has anyone ever read, The Center Of The Cyclone?  I forget who wrote it I have not read it in a few years! I was just trying to get opinions on it,And if they share the same beliefs as he did!
Thanx Bye




They're not merely beliefs if one has experienced the same stuff experientially( the +3 /-3 polarity of the Heaven and hell states. I don't want to come accross as elitist here in any way as i know Swami is lying in wait :grin: ). But I will personally vouch for the veracity of Lilly's experiences in this regard as they are supported by my own experiences. Please make note that i didn't read Centre of the Cyclone til after a year had passed since my personal experience of the states alluded to by Lilly A/O :smile:


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Re: Ever read this book? [Re: Swami]
    #3268227 - 10/23/04 04:49 PM (12 years, 8 months ago)

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Swami said:
I stand corrected; mainlining a purified white powder every day for over a year is not indicative of any type of chemical addiction and is physically and socially desirable.  :rolleyes:

Stating a FACT is not indicative of either respect nor disrespect; it just IS.




Are you sure it was mainlining Swamster, or just IM? I fully realize that the medium through which the substance was administered is somewhat besides the fact that it WAS administered, i'm just looking for elucidation so that i may gain a more correct perspective, that is all :wink:


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