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OfflineWhiteRussian
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Chaos???
    #3260429 - 10/21/04 02:31 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Is this reality really chaotic?
I would say no, its just a bunch of rules and patterns.

The issue on free will: If everyone had absolute free will, THEN there would be nothing but chaos.

Each individual would be creating an actual reality, overlapping realities.....lol, that would be chaotic.

So these boundries must serve a purpose. This purpose must be to follow these boundries, and see were they take us. We accept these boudries, yet we feel trapped. Maybe its teaching us how to react. :shrug:

Teaching us how to react in a way, that you dont...... Or in other words, how to not react.

Think about this example:
level of emotions, or some shit (-infin, -5,-4,-3,-2,-1,0,1,2,3,4,5,infin)
0= void
If a person is completely depressed out of his/her mind (-6) so their glipse of void would feel like +6.......Compared to god, for example, whos level is always at 0, thereforth, emotions are out of the picture overall.

People think that when they die, they will go to heaven/hell..... Like the human created level of (-infin,-2,-1,0,1,2,infin), but since you dies, and you no longer a part of any boundaries, heaven or hell, its the same thing. :smile:

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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3260599 - 10/21/04 04:06 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

life is randomness within boundaries!

slightly chaotic but not completely chaotic, its as simple as that in my opinion.


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3260614 - 10/21/04 04:13 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

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The issue on free will: If everyone had absolute free will, THEN there would be nothing but chaos.



Wrong conclusion. Then human life would be nothing but chaos (as we are just a small part of the universe), which is the case.

On chaos: chaos will give rise to structure, and as such life is the direct result of chaos. We wouldn't be here without chaos.


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3260635 - 10/21/04 04:19 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Why can't there be rules and patterns that create chaos?

Who doesn't have absolute free will? Just because most people give it away to others, doesn't mean that they are not allowed to keep it and use it for themselves.

You said, "Each individual would be creating an actual reality, overlapping realities.....lol, that would be chaotic." Why can't this be how it is, overlapping realities that is? I don't know it any other way.

Why would we need boundaries we feel obligated to follow for the purpose of being taught how to react? I don't get it, unless you meant, teaching us how not to react, but rather respond to.

What was that about emotions being out of the picture? Why would you want them out? How can that be possible and healthy?

Do you really beleive that when you die, you don't take your mental and emotional boundaries with you? If consciousness moves on, and mental and emotional boundaries, make up your consciousness, where do they get removed just because your heart stops pumping blood and the physical body decays? At best, you don't take your physical limitations with you is all that makes sense.

I'd like to hear you expansiate.

Have you been reading at ascendpress again? LOL


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: Alan Stone]
    #3260656 - 10/21/04 04:23 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Wrong conclusion. Then human life would be nothing but chaos (as we are just a small part of the universe), which is the case."

lol, isnt that what I said? haha

"On chaos: chaos will give rise to structure, and as such life is the direct result of chaos. We wouldn't be here without chaos. "

ahhhh, cause and effect?


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3260684 - 10/21/04 04:32 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Why can't there be rules and patterns that create chaos? "

maybe there are

"Who doesn't have absolute free will? Just because most people give it away to others, doesn't mean that they are not allowed to keep it and use it for themselves. "

Im talking about free will as in flying, changing the physical reality, etc

"What was that about emotions being out of the picture? Why would you want them out? How can that be possible and healthy? "

Im saying from "gods" point of view

"Do you really beleive that when you die, you don't take your mental and emotional boundaries with you? If consciousness moves on, and mental and emotional boundaries, make up your consciousness, where do they get removed just because your heart stops pumping blood and the physical body decays? At best, you don't take your physical limitations with you is all that makes sense."

Do you think when you die, ONLY your mental and emotional boundries staty with you? I think yours as well as everyone else who ever existed become one, you become the one. :smile:

"Have you been reading at ascendpress again? LOL "
nope :smile:


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3260728 - 10/21/04 04:44 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Thanks for expansiating. The additions made a difference.

My experience with exploring the realms of the newly crossed overed gives me a different version of what is experienced then an immediate return to oneness. You must not beleive in reincarnation or our interconnectness with the one right now then huh? Thats okay. Just wanting to see where you are coming from and am curious if you know where you are coming from or going with this topic.

Where were you going with this topic and where did you hope to see it go?


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3260814 - 10/21/04 05:11 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I think what he's trying to say is that cause and effect are, themselves, a part of chaos. Chaos is not without order, chaos is without prediction. Quite a difference. Chaos follows the same rules of cause and effect as "order" does...but the order (result) produced by chaos is of a nature that we humans are not currently able to grasp. We can see that there IS definite order...yet can do little to nothing to predict what the order will look like ahead of time.


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: trendal]
    #3260927 - 10/21/04 05:39 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Actually I had no idea what i was talking about, these are just some thoughts i had. And I thought maybe someone would tell me what am i talking about lol. and someone did, thanx trendal :smile:

"You must not beleive in reincarnation or our interconnectness with the one right now then huh? "

Everyone whoever existed or will exist IS the one.

So yes i do believe in it, kind of......if you understand what I mean from the above statement :smile:


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3261006 - 10/21/04 05:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

LOL,

Ya, it read like you just through some random thoughts out hoping the gallery would make sense of them for you.

Trendal explained it well how order and chaos exist together and how they are not one or the other but products of each other.

Beleiving we are an interconnected ONE is different from experiencing it. The only thing that keeps anyone from experiencing it while in a body are the boundaries that lie (figurativly and literally) in the mind and heart of conscioussness.

Ditching the body doesn't remove those boundaries, they go with you. When you can do it here, you can experience it in the after life too.

You wouldn't beleive the guilt, denial, separation fear stuff people take with them.

Why is it difficult to beleive that when you die, you leave the physical limitations behind, but not the mental and emotional ones you hold in consciousness?

PS, I want to know why the fuck we can't fly either. I hate gravity. LOL


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3261008 - 10/21/04 05:56 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

prime number
To give zest, charm, or spirit to.Even though it may not be important or valuable


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: Gomp]
    #3261102 - 10/21/04 06:20 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

whats up wit the number 37? thats a fucked up number


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: Gomp]
    #3261128 - 10/21/04 06:26 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"Why is it difficult to beleive that when you die, you leave the physical limitations behind, but not the mental and emotional ones you hold in consciousness?"

Who said it was difficult?

Think of it this way, if you leave the physical AND mental boundaries behind, then you ARE the one, if your the one, your everything that ever existed or will exist..........If you want to go that deep that is :smile:


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3261148 - 10/21/04 06:29 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Consciousness resides in the emotional body too. You said God doesn't know recognise or know emotion, why? What does some god being have to do with emotions anyway?

Why can't you leave the mental boundaries behind NOW and experience oneness while conscious in the physical?

What is this magic that will remove them when you physical body dies?


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3261189 - 10/21/04 06:38 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

"You said God doesn't know recognise or know emotion, why? What does some god being have to do with emotions anyway?"
Of course it(i'll call got it :smile: ) does, i just meant emotions are not a problem for it, they are a human human problems.


"Why can't you leave the mental boundaries behind NOW and experience oneness while conscious in the physical?"

who said i havent?


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3261201 - 10/21/04 06:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I can see the confusion, when i wrote the "emotion level" i didnt really mean emotions, cuz i dont a word for it.


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: WhiteRussian]
    #3261206 - 10/21/04 06:42 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Now that we have come this far, go back and read your original post and whatever you are still wondering about, compose a new post on it.

I think the original was way to unclear about what you wanted from it.

You seem to have all of your own answers. I'm confused by the purpose of the original post as well as what you said there versus follow up replies. LOL But this is fun.

Since we have it all covered cept for the why we can't fly part, lets work on that. LOL


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Re: Chaos??? [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #3261215 - 10/21/04 06:45 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

actually it wasnt a question, i was trying to explaine something, but i couldn't put it clearly.


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