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Offlineymhrswrider
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Why not a microwave for grains?
    #3260143 - 10/21/04 01:05 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Maybe this is a stupid question, but could you use a microwave in place of a pressure cooker to sterilize grains? I would think that if you could get the time down just right, you could kill any bad guys without messing up the grain. Can enyone explain this to me in laymans terms?


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: ymhrswrider]
    #3260152 - 10/21/04 01:07 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

I'm not sure about the microwave, but you can do grains on your stove.  It's in a tek called Fractional Sterilization.

http://www.shroomery.org/index/the/default/par/23372

Check it out :wink:

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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: Silven]
    #3260178 - 10/21/04 01:14 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

That's like 3 days of work though. I was looking for an easy, quick, cheap alternative. Sounds like a future experiment.


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: ymhrswrider]
    #3260183 - 10/21/04 01:16 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

wouldent the grain pop as it would be heated from the inside out?


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: craptree]
    #3260202 - 10/21/04 01:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

yeah... grains don't work to well in the microwave... it's difficult to get them hot enough for long enough without them popping like mad.

I'm certain it's possible, but no one has developed a tek for it... it would make a good project if you'd want to try it.


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: Reject]
    #3260218 - 10/21/04 01:25 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

The only problem with microwave teks is that microwaves differ so much from one to the next. Some heat up quick, some take a long time. Some get very hot, some don't. Some have spinning trays while running, others don't so heat isn't spread as uniformly.. etc.

I mean, if you could develope a technique, you could most definately use it with your own microwave, but each person that uses the tek would have to fine tune it down to their own type of microwave.


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: Silven]
    #3260227 - 10/21/04 01:29 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

/me agrees with silven

also microwaves generly dont work continuously when heating, and instead cycle on and off
and for sterlising grain i think it would be best to keep the temp steady


Edited by craptree (10/21/04 01:30 PM)


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: ymhrswrider]
    #3260367 - 10/21/04 02:10 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)



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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: ymhrswrider]
    #3260395 - 10/21/04 02:21 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

remember, microwave heat is a dry heat. it isn't like boiling or pcing. shit dries out in the microwave and if your substrate is dry good luck getting myc to colonize it.


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: TODAY]
    #3261329 - 10/21/04 07:09 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

If you kept it covered to some degree I don't think drying out would be too much of a factor. I was thinking that maybe the defrost setting would work best. It would be very touch and go as far as keeping them from popping.


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: ymhrswrider]
    #3262030 - 10/21/04 09:46 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

It cooks the grain. Something I did learn on myth busters (discovery channel) that I didn't know before is that micro's do heat from the outside in. I tested it with some meat and it's true. So my guess is that the grain gets way hotter then 250F and pop it goes. Remember in a PC the grain can only get as hot as the steam.

Well now that I think about why not set the oven for 250F so there goes my theory down the toilet.  :frown:


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: Magash]
    #3262348 - 10/21/04 10:51 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Of course they heat from the outside in, where do people come up with this heating from inside crap? No ones ever put frozen waffles, toaster struddles, hot dogs, steaks, anything meat you defrost and not cooked it fully and the outsides hot and the insides cold/frozen? Or if you lay 4 hot dogs out on a plate the two outside ones get much hotter and pop before the inner ones.

I've always been curious as to why you couldn't do it in the oven..set it to 250. My guess is the whole dry heat thing..I would guess you could get either the micro or oven to work but it would be a little more difficult to make it into a rock solid repeatable tek. Like someone said, you could perfect your own method perhaps but everyone might not end up with the same results.


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3264744 - 10/22/04 02:54 PM (12 years, 6 months ago)

Ok, so maybe the oven is a better idea. If you put the jars inside of a covered pot with water on the inside then the jars should keep their moisture, right? I tried something with some popcorn last night, but I'm not giving up any info till I'll find out if it might work.


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Re: Why not a microwave for grains? [Re: ymhrswrider]
    #3266724 - 10/23/04 03:01 AM (12 years, 5 months ago)

Makes sense to me man, not sure why it wouldnt work -shrug- If Anno or Hyphae or one of the other vets would read this they might be able to give you some sort of maybe itll work answer or a reason it wouldnt work..


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Growing with bags, start to finish (including my new grain and substrate prep)
Anyone looking to start bulk tubs/mono tubs/shotgun hybrids? Good tubs to use..
How I do grain (old still good tips)
Turn your closet into a fruiting chamber
Casing layer colonization and overlay


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