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4 really hard questions
    #3259047 - 10/21/04 03:01 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1. If the universe is governed by cause and effect, and according to quantum physics and Eastern religion consciousness creates reality, what creates consciousnes?

2. If time, space, matter, and even energy are extrapolated from the limitless Void by the decoder-like brain, how did that brain arise in the first place out of formless Void?

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistantly percieve it?

4. If, as in quantum mechanics, the consciousness determins what possible outcomes become observed reality, how are these outcomes determined? What decides which realities materialize, and which don't?


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3259084 - 10/21/04 03:15 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I am a solipsist and all of this is a figment of my mind.


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3259101 - 10/21/04 03:23 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

5. What's for dinner?


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3259107 - 10/21/04 03:26 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1. If the universe is governed by cause and effect, and according to quantum physics and Eastern religion consciousness creates reality, what creates consciousnes?

An incomplete super-consciousness - GOD. Individual consciousness exists in the likeness of a single consciousness; not to be confused with collective consciousness - but a grounded consciousness.

2. If time, space, matter, and even energy are extrapolated from the limitless Void by the decoder-like brain, how did that brain arise in the first place out of formless Void?

Consciousness becomes a decoder of sorts (the brain) when consciousness does in fact take form - when people take form; their consciousness becomes embodied when it takes flesh from their mothers. From here, the brain developes. The two points before the simple existence of the brain are grounded being; self realization is the realization of the self before birth and what awaits the self after physical death.

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistantly percieve it?

The human brain is able to adapt. In many older languages, the word used for 'human' is phonetically related to the meaning of 'adaptation'. When one enters the cycle of infinitude, they immediately adapt on a physical level - everyone has the need for food, water, sleep, etc. However, on a more metaphysical level, not everyone is in Submission to the Wholeness (A lack of Pre Survival skills?). Infinitude is moment-to-moment. Being aware of moment-to-moment existence is what constitutes self awareness.

4. If, as in quantum mechanics, the consciousness determins what possible outcomes become observed reality, how are these outcomes determined? What decides which realities materialize, and which don't?

See above. If one is unable to adapt - or understand one's own moment-to-moment existence (as in infinitude), they are not self-conscious, or only slightly so. If one ask's themself "Did I cause myself to exist?" they are sadly going the opposite direction of the true realization that comes from moment-to-moment being. One's existence is out of the control of one's self, and that of GOD; hence the incomplete area of GOD that is eventually built upon itself with realized, individuated parts of consciousness. Much like the muscle of a body builder.


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3259773 - 10/21/04 10:52 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistantly percieve it?


programming, societal programming, pressures, our watch our alarm clock, the day the month the year where I have to be. I am running late. Am I misunderstanding the question?


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: thelion]
    #3259808 - 10/21/04 11:09 AM (12 years, 1 month ago)

all the same question
dinner is a great proposal

seeing the face of one's maker is like a glance in the mirror.
both sides extend infinitely (of the looking glass world(s))


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: redgreenvines]
    #3260137 - 10/21/04 01:02 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I'm just gonna pretend knowledge on this one :P

1. If the universe is governed by cause and effect, and according to quantum physics and Eastern religion consciousness creates reality, what creates consciousness?

consciousness creates consciousness..?

2. If time, space, matter, and even energy are extrapolated from the limitless Void by the decoder-like brain, how did that brain arise in the first place out of formless Void?

the brain is a formless void?
it is not an illusion. but the illusion?

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistently perceive it?

humans made clocks.. a man with one clock always knows the time, a man with 2 clocks is never sure?

4. If, as in quantum mechanics, the consciousness determines what possible outcomes become observed reality, how are these outcomes determined? What decides which realities materialize, and which don't?

the decision..

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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3260859 - 10/21/04 05:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1. If the universe is governed by cause and effect, and according to quantum physics and Eastern religion consciousness creates reality, what creates consciousnes?

I don't think quantum mechanics states that consciousness creates reality. I also don't think consciousness is separate from reality...so one cannot exist without the other.

2. If time, space, matter, and even energy are extrapolated from the limitless Void by the decoder-like brain, how did that brain arise in the first place out of formless Void?

They aren't extrapolated. The mind came second, energy was there from the start :wink:

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistantly percieve it?

I don't think it's an illusion. I certainly don't want to be growing old :wink:

4. If, as in quantum mechanics, the consciousness determins what possible outcomes become observed reality, how are these outcomes determined? What decides which realities materialize, and which don't?

IF, and that's a big if, the consciousness does somehow determine which reality is observed...then it is most likely that all realities exist and the consciousness only choses which one it will experience. On the other hand, the interpretation of QM that says consciousness "creates" the reality it observes is IMHO a false interpretation made at a time when MUCH less was understood about QM.


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3271448 - 10/24/04 03:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

These are all very good questions. By no means do I have any absolute answers, but I'm going to attempt to offer my thoughts in a semi-rationalized way by analyzing the possibilities of each situation. In order to do this though I have to reply to them out of order...

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistantly percieve it?

I think this is actually the most important question asked here, because whether or not linear time exists outside of our perception determines the answers to some other questions that people ask about consciousness and the universe. There are two possibilities: either time is an objective property of the universe or time is an internal perception of our mind. If time is an external phenomenon, this means that there need not be any observers for the universe to progress in existence. It would do so anyway. Also, if time is a property of the physical universe like space, then it probably wouldn't have come into being until the 'big bang.' However, the question then arises: 'how long' did the original singularity exist before it exploded? But, of course, to answer that or even ask that is to contradict that time is a property of the universe.

So we already have a cause-effect problem, which is, how did the singularity come into existence? This is often termed the First Cause. Theists will answer that with: God, an entity existing outside of the universe. This has yet another cause-effect problem though, when one asks, how did God come into existence? But... that isn't a plausible question when one is assuming that time is a property of the universe, for there would be no 'time' and hence no cause for God to be created. You might be thinking then, "score one for the theists," as that is a possibility if one assumes that the universe is a portion of existence rather than encompassing all existence. That's an assumption we can't make, though. Another problem with God is one of complexity. Rather than saying God has always existed and created the universe, one could just as easily say the universe has always existed. Why make things more complicated than they have to be? If the universe has always existed, it's safe to presume that the universe may expand and contract indefinitely. This seemingly eradicates the First Cause problem, but brings to the table a concept which we can hardly grasp, which is linear time spanning infinitely in two 'directions.'

Finally, there's one other issue to think about for this side of the argument. If time is a property outside us then it can only be an illusion insofar as the physical universe is an illusion. As we are part of the universe, that would mean we'd also have to be an illusion. And yet, we exist and can vouch that we aren't illusions. Hence I'm going to conclude here that if time is a property of the universe then it's not an illusion.

So let's examine the other possibility, of time being an internal property of our minds or bodies. If you take my above conclusion to be true, then this is the only way that time can be an illusion. The biggest question here is, how or why do we perceive linear time? Let me first make an analogy that will make this easier to understand. We use our eyes to interpret the world around us. Our eyes use photons as data which are converted by our brains into colors, depending on energy/frequency. Do colors exist independently of our eyes? What the hell would a 'color' be to an organism without eyes? Well, the photons range in different energy levels and those photons and energy levels exist independently of our visual sensing organs. They exist outside us. Colors are inpretations of our brain and thus internal. So the concept of color exists outside us only as raw data, and not as the color we know and experience. Sound and taste are similar.

Therefore it's possible that we interpret time by a similar mechanism. That is, time may exist outside us in the form of raw data, such as events and causes and effects, but linear time as we know it is an interpretation by our brains in order to make sense of cause and effect. Taking into account the fact that we only experience one moment at a time, the 'now,' this leads me to conclude that the moment right now, for all intents and purposes, is all that exists. Can you prove that other moments exist besides the one right now? Hardly. The only way we know that 'previous' moments have existed are because of leftover effects of those moments. We have no way of knowing that 'future' moments will exist except by recognizing the pattern of linear cause and effect that we are so familiar with. So what part of our brain or body interprets this raw event data that we perceive as linear time? I don't know, but I'll take a guess. It could be our DNA. Our DNA acts as a semiconductor. Thus it could be affected by electromagnetic waves around us on such a basic level that we're unaware of. That's just a guess though and I have no idea how it would work.

1. If the universe is governed by cause and effect, and according to quantum physics and Eastern religion consciousness creates reality, what creates consciousnes?

This is related to what I was writing about above, with regard to First Cause. If you're working with the assumption that the universe always existed, then consciouness would have to have always existed, at least in potential. If you're not working with that assumption, you run into problems, and you can't go any further. So let's go with that assumption. If consciousness indeed creates reality, then it can be considered a form of potential energy. More so, I'd consider it the potential of potential energy, if that makes sense. That is, consciousness is the potential of energy like energy is the potential of matter. Just as matter is compressed energy, energy may be compressed consciousness. This could explain why we can't measure consciousness. We can measure matter quite easily. We can measure energy but with some difficulty involved. But we don't yet know how to measure consciousness, if it can even be measured.

I'm not trying to avoid the question, but what I'm implying here is consciousness has either always existed along with the universe, or that consciousness is the First Cause, or both if you accept that linear time is not a property of the universe but an internal interpretation by us.

2. If time, space, matter, and even energy are extrapolated from the limitless Void by the decoder-like brain, how did that brain arise in the first place out of formless Void?

I don't know what you mean by Void, but I'm going to assume you mean consciousness, since that's the only thing I know of that's both formless and limitless. Above I said that energy and thus matter may be derived from consciousness. So the brain is formed by matter which is formed by energy which is formed by consciouness. But this is avoiding the real issue I think you're implying, which is why or how exactly a brain came about from consciousness to interpret consciousness. This begs the question of whether consciousness inherently has an intelligence. Intelligence, in this case, may as well be synonymous with organization. When we talk of 'intelligent design,' aren't we really just talking about how organized the universe is? So yes, consciousness is intelligent in that regard.

However, does consciousness have an agenda on the universal scale, with the intent to accomplish certain things with this organization? Let me point out something here that's often overlooked to answer this. The consciousness in our brains has infinite potential, due to our imagination. You can literally imagine infinite ideas. I would conclude from this that consciousness has infinite potential. Thus the universe, if composed of consciousness, is also infinite, not necessarily physically but in terms of timelines and potential events. This gives rise to the very real possibility that the universe is a fractal hologram, because if the universe is infinite, and our minds are infinite, what's the difference between them? Our universe, including you and I, may very well be dreamed up by the imagination of a conscious entity 'higher up' in the fractal hologram. Another part of the fractal hologram model is feedback. A change in one portion of the fractal would change all the other portions, no matter 'where' they are in the fractal, because that's the definition of a fractal. All projecting branches of the fractal must 'look' the same. Thus your own consciousness, your mind, would affect all other consciousness instantaneously in one way or another if this were true. Think about how that might explain how we create our own reality.

So, if our minds are actually holographic projections of the universe, we can study the nature of the universe by studying our minds! Therefore, answers to questions like, does consciousness have an agenda, come much easier when considered in this way. This can be rephrased to say, do YOU have an agenda? Of course you have an agenda when it comes to the physical reality around you, but putting aside the agenda of our ego, which is based on survival and power, you're left with the agenda of your consciousness. This usually consists of something like, "Wow so many possibilities exist, but what the hell's the point of it all? Let me explore all those possibilities, so I can figure out what the hell's going on and why all this exists." This leads me to believe that consciousness in the ultimate sense has the same sentiment, that consciousness is not even sure of what it is itself, and that the point of its existence is not determined. It's simply experiencing and exploring itself. Thus I would say that consciousness doesn't have an agenda on the universal scale.

I see I've gone off on a tangent from the question, but what I've written so far leads me to this conclusion: Within consciousness consisting of infinite possibilities, ANYTHING can exist. Thus there exists the possiblity of a brain forming to interpret data from the world, and we are living that possibility. Basically, if anything can and does happen within an infinite universe, then the possibilty of such a brain forming within an organism is a moot point, because all possibilities exist.

4. If, as in quantum mechanics, the consciousness determins what possible outcomes become observed reality, how are these outcomes determined? What decides which realities materialize, and which don't?

I think this is the most difficult of all these to answer, but I'll take a stab at it and again attempt to rationalize some sort of answer.

Let's first consider various concepts related to outcome and cause-effect: intent, desire, expectation, anticipation, wonder. There might be more but that's all I can think of for now. But all these words have something in common. They all preface an outcome. For example, I'm standing on the street corner, and I may intend to/desire to/expect to/anticipate/wonder about crossing the street. Which of these things affect the outcome? They all do, to some degree. All these concepts can be ranked according to their level of certainty of outcome. I would say, from least certain to most certain, they go like this: wonder -> desire -> intention -> anticipation -> expectation. First comes the wonder of the possibility of the outcome, then comes the desire of the outcome, then comes the intention to bring about an outcome, then comes the anticipation of the outcome, then comes the expectation of the outcome.

However, you can do all these things but nothing will happen at all without action. Where does action fit into this? Action can come after any five of those ideas has been thought out. However, out of the (a) possible, (b) desired, (c) intended, (d) anticipated, or (e) expected outcome, which is most likely to manifest? I know from everyday life that a desired outcome doesn't always come about. Even an expected outcome doesn't always come about. How can I be absolutely certain (expect) that something will happen but it doesn't? You would think that the most certain is, well, the most certain to happen. But it doesn't always work that way. Anecdotal evidence from my life tells me that when I intend an outcome is when it most often manifests, because intention implies putting in the most action in order to bring it about. I may anticipate or even expect something to happen but that doesn't mean I've put in the necessary action needed to bring it about.

So, let me introduce a possible mathematical model for how outcomes come about using again those five concepts. You can plot the five on a number line ranging from -2 to +2, like this:

Possible Desired Intended Anticipated Expected
<---- -2 ------ -1 --------- 0 -------- 1 --------- 2 ----->

(Possible means you've wondered about it.)

This is simply ranking how much action one puts into getting a particular outcome. The closer to 0, the more action one puts into manifesting an outcome. You may also note that this scale ranges, from left to right, more conscious to more subconscious. A 'possible' outcome is what you put the most conscious thought into because it requires the most conscious effort to first think of the idea. An 'expected' outcome is the most subconscious, because expected outcomes are often outcomes you've experienced before and thus deeply rooted in the subconscious. The center point of intention, arguably, uses the most action to bring about an outcome, and also uses both conscious effort and subconscious knowledge.

This is all well and good but there's obviously a flaw in my logic if you haven't spotted it already. Beyond anecdotal evidence I can't prove that intended outcomes always have the highest probability. I can most likely prove in a scientific manner that intention uses the most action to bring about an outcome, but that's about it.

There's slso a more important point to be examined here. Above I wrote that consciousness is probably infinite, and thus infinite possibilities exist. If this is true then all outcomes exist, in an infinite web of cuase-effect that must exist outside our current mainstream models of space-time. It could be that infinite universes exist "side by side" (not physically of course) for each outcome of any situation. That particular theory has gained a lot of momentum in the scientific community within the past 10 years. Even using a perspective like that as a starting point though, you're still left without a reliable model for why any particular outcome manifests at any particular time. I'll say this though: I believe it's related to the terms I used above, especially intention, as that seems to be the most 'proactive' way of bringing about a certain outcome.

Now, the actual process that determines which reality manifests itself would also require the input from each unit of consciousness within that reality, whether its knowledge of a situation is null or complete or anywhere in between. By consciousness unit I mean exactly that: anything that's conscious, which using the consciousness->energy->matter model I used above, includes everything! But there are 'levels' of consciousness in terms of micro and macro. For example, the universe may be a unit of consciousness that includes our brains as smaller units of consciousness. Of course the 'greater' level of consciousness, which would be the universe, has more power over a given outcome because we must live by its physical rules. (In turn the realities inside our minds live by our own rules.) However, we normally neglect the 'laws of nature' in any situation because they're constantly assumed, ie. I wouldn't take into account the amount of gravity on Earth if I was going to cross a street. Thus we normally assume and thus neglect the macro consciousness and rely on the consciousness of other humans and other organisms in terms of situation outcomes. For example, if I was crossing a street I would make sure there are no cars being driven in front of me, or people or animals in my way, et cetera.

So, getting to my point, before any particular outcome manifests, the reality takes into account all the actions taken by, and arguably also the thoughts of, each consciousness in that reality. Thus my intention to cross a street may be blocked by someone's intention to keep me from doing just that. On the other hand, someone who has no knowledge that I'm about to cross the street can't do anything to change the outcome. Never thought I could make crossing the street so damn complicated, did you? And yet, it's even more complicated than that, because I haven't even gotten into choice and free will yet. I'm not even gonna go there. In conclusion though, I'm betting any outcome is like the result of a gigantic mathematic formula that's calculated each .000000000000001 seconds to determine what the effect of every cause should be.

And that's all I have to say about that. I know this was a pretty long post. If anyone can provide constructive criticism of any points I made, please do. I feel like I just completed a useless philosophy test and I need to be graded.


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: ]
    #3271496 - 10/24/04 03:20 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistantly percieve it?
can we?


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Gomp]
    #3271521 - 10/24/04 03:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistantly percieve it?


Time is like a fire that consumes us...but we are the fire...

Psychologically living in a place where the fire is not flaming or has already flamed, is what creates the illusion of time; past and future.



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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #3272091 - 10/24/04 06:06 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1-2. Think of it this way. We can't understand it fully with our brains. Our duality forces us to see it in extremes: fullness and emptyness, existence and non-existence. What we cannot grasp is that the two extremes--nothingness and non-nothingness--are one and the same.

So think of pure consciousness as pure *nothing*. This explains the problem of the creator; nothing is not caused by or dependant upon anything. Now think of it as pure *everything*. It's both.

3. Time is not purely an illusion, it is simply less illusory than our inner selves (which interpret the physical data). Pretend that you're in the subway and you're looking out the train cart window. You see the tunnel you're in, in the real world, and the reflection of the people behind you in your cart, in the "illusory world".

Asking why we can perceive time is like asking why we can see this illusory reflexion. The reflexion does exist, as an intricate pattern of colours on the cart window. It does not, however, meet our criteria for existence--three dimensional, living, sentient beings--but it does exist in its own (two dimensional) form. We can perceive something, like time, that is less illusory than ourselves.

4. They are predictable because they result from a natural flow, a stream of consciousness. The pattern, always the same, is of a less-illusory thing to be created out of a more-illusory thing. The illusory, or the conventional, is created out of varying degrees of nothingness, and proceeds to live and die and, in the end, return to nothingness. The conventional dies either through self-annihilation or, with the help of the fundamental, through self-realization.

This innate drive for nothingness to always return to nothingness is like karma--everything always equals out, the good and bad cancel each other out, leaving nothing.

Note that, in the above paragraphs, nothingness is interchangeable with "everythingness", wholeness, or pure consciousness.


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3272160 - 10/24/04 06:28 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1) Physics does not postulate anything about Consciousness per se. The fact that an observer is involved with any experiment designed for qualitative or quantitative assessment of a given phenomena means that a whole lot of additional variables are going to need to be figured into the experiment. No two human observers are the same for one thing, and for another, there may be psychophysical factors involved that are unknown to the experimenter. You may be thinking about parallel ideas such as those in the book 'The Tao of Physics.'
Consciousness is a Western term that has been applied to many Eastern ideas from India or China (Tao). C. G. Jung was perhaps at the vanguard of this approach, and too late in life planned on coming up with a physical-psychical model with physicist Wolfgang Pauli which was to show how Consciousness was identical with the fabric of space-time. Jung died before the attempt. Indian and Chinese thought that use impersonal terms like Tao, or Atman; or a personal term like the Hindu Brahman, assert that Consciousness is the metaphysical infrastructure of Reality, and that Consciousness is another word for GOD, which means that it is Eternal and hence without origination.

2) Pure evolution theory essentially makes mathematical probability - chance - and time, the dualistic principles or 'god' of creation. Scientific Creationism acknowledges the Darwinian principles of mutation and natural selection, but designed by and guided by a Divine Designer. The religious take on all this is that human beings are Microcosmic forms of the Macrocosmic Infinite, which is to say that in our psychospiritual makeup, we are created "in the image and likeness" of GOD. Jewish Kabbalism has a uniquely interesting body of thought about Primal Man (Adam Kadmon) who constitutes the "shape of the Godhead," and the same 'template' in all human (and presumably extraterrestrial humanoid) beings. But again, two different approaches or vectors are being synthesized here - scientific empirical and mytho-religious.

3) Time is not separate from space, hence space-time. Space-time is only an illusion when compared to that which is Eternal. The relative - that which comes into existence and passes out of existence, whether a baby or a star, belongs to the relative domain, to creation. The Eternal and Infinite, postulated not as a mathematical principle but as a metaphysic (that which is 'before physics'), is what all the world religions are about - Ultimate Reality - the Absolute - and what the nature of a finite human being's relationship is to the Absolute. We are relative beings created of space-time, but with a 'Spirit' say the religions - the Source and True Essence of our being that derives from the Eternal Ground of Being. There is obviously no scientific 'proof' for this, but again, science depends upon sense data and the mental faculty of reason, and can only be a method directed at phenomenon in space-time, not at transcendental datum which are perceived subjectively.

4) Consciousness is but Part of the total psyche which may be thought to include unconscious, subconscious, conscious and superconscious. In the total equation as I said earlier, Consciousness is a complex variable in a given physical phenomenon, but certainly not THE determining factor unless the source of the Consciousness has psychic abilities of mythic proportion, or the source is from a theoretically 'Higher' dimension and has abilities to consciously influence space-time (sci-fi trans-dimensional folk, religious angels and other spiritual beings, GOD, etc.).


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3275479 - 10/25/04 03:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)


1. Non-contiousness (?)

2. It didn't. It began from the end of it's last loop in time- All matter condensed into one sphere (like a giant black hole).

3. Our physical brain precieves time differently than our soul because we have a physical form that is connected with it (altering natural perceptions).

4. Nature- Chaos- Physics in randomness. Like a storm forming.


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Re: 4 really hard questions [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #3276885 - 10/25/04 10:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

1. If the universe is governed by cause and effect, and according to quantum physics and Eastern religion consciousness creates reality, what creates consciousnes?

Irony?

2. If time, space, matter, and even energy are extrapolated from the limitless Void by the decoder-like brain, how did that brain arise in the first place out of formless Void?

cause and effect?

3. If time is an illusion how do we so consistantly percieve it?

clocks. ok i actually have a good answer for this one... are neurons in our brain are firing at a specific rate (that is variable based on physical activity) and we measure these firings with a clock.

4. If, as in quantum mechanics, the consciousness determins what possible outcomes become observed reality, how are these outcomes determined? What decides which realities materialize, and which don't?

clocks.

5. whats for dinner?

chili.


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Men look at themselves and they see flawed humans, we look at women and we see perfect
GODDESSES
Women look at themselves and they seem utterly human, when looking at men they see proud
GODS.


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