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Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals...
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Extraction of psilocybin and psilocin from psychoactive mushrooms

This is a revised copy of a previous write-up about an extraction of the psychedelic alkaloids from psychoactive mushrooms, mainly p. cubensis. The extraction will work for all of the psychedelic mushrooms that contain psilocybin/psilocin. It is an acid/base extraction derived from the DMT extractions that I have read about and performed. The method that I am listing below still has not been attempted by me, so I?d like to note that it is more of a theoretical process waiting on revision until it is finally attempted. The more input I can receive the better the final process and instructions will be. Please feel free to comment.

Overview: The psilocybin is to be extracted from pulverized mushrooms. As the dosages for psilocybin is beyond measuring with my digital scales, I will use 5 grams of dried p cubensis mushrooms. As I know the effect of this amount of mushrooms, I can compare the final extract with the trip from the 5 grams. The alkaloids will be removed from the mushrooms with an acidic solution and defatted with naphtha. After this the solution will be basified and the alkaloids removed with naphtha. The naphtha will be washed with two distilled water washes. The naphtha will be evaporated and the crystals washed one more time with cold distilled water to remove any traces of any basic solutions used in the extraction. The crystals that are left will be consumed and the effects judged to determine the performance of the extraction.

Materials:
Digital pH meter 1000mL Separatory Funnel
Acid (vinegar, muriatic, hydrochloric, sulfuric) Base (baking powder)
Distilled water Three quart Mason jars
Coffee Filters Glass stirring rod
Dried p. cubensis mushrooms VM&P Naptha

Procedure:
1) Prepare the mushrooms for extraction. They should be dried completely. All remnants of the casing layer should be scraped away. Grind the mushrooms in a coffee grinder to a fine powder.
2) Using the digital pH meter prepare 200mL of distilled water and acid to a pH of 2 in a quart Mason jar. You want to stir well when doing this. After you mix this, put it in a hot water bath on the oven until it gets to about 90?F. You?ll want all solvents and naphtha, unless otherwise specified in the instructions, to be at this temperature. Don?t get it higher or you?ll risk destroying precious alkaloids.
3) Pour the mushroom powder into the acidic solution. If you want to mix up 25-50mL more of the acidic solution to rinse out the coffee grinder, that?s fine. Just add it back to the Mason jar with the rest of the stuff. Stir well for 5 minutes, and then stir at 10 minute intervals.
4) After allowing the powder to sit in the warm acidic solution for 45 minutes it?s time to filter it and do another wash. The liquid contains a great percentage of the initial alkaloids found in the mushrooms and it is to be kept. Pour the mixture through a coffee filter into a second Mason jar. Put the powder back in the first Mason jar.
5) Mix up another 200mL of distilled water and acid to a pH of 2. Add this to the Mason jar that contains the mushroom powder. Place that Mason jar back into the warm-water bath on the stovetop.
6) Repeat step 4-5 one more time for a total of three washes. The first one should be 45 minutes while the second and third can be for only 15 minutes each. All of the liquid should be poured into the second Mason jar and saved. All of the alkaloids have now been extracted and the mushroom powder may be discarded.
7) We will now de-fat the acidic solution to ensure a purer finished product. Naphtha is what I will be recommending and using in this procedure. Pour the acidic liquid into a separatory funnel. Add 50mL of warm naphtha to the funnel. Turn the funnel upside down and right side up 10-20 times. Do this gently enough that great deals of bubbles don?t form. You?ll need to release the pressure in the funnel. Do this by turning the funnel so that the stopcock is aimed up and open it. I recommend doing this every 2-3 turns.
8) Allow the layers to settle out now. The bottom layer will be the acidic water solution containing the alkaloids and the top layer will be the naphtha containing the extracted fats.
9) Open the stopcock and save the water layer. The naphtha layer is to be discarded. Repeat the naphtha defatting once more to ensure complete defatting.
10) Now it?s time to basify the solution and get our crystals! The DEA site that I gleaned some of this information from states that too high of a pH can damage the alkaloids that we want to extract. They recommend 8.0-8.5pH be used. Since we want this to be as ?gentle? as possible, we will use baking powder as our base. Prepare 200mL of distilled water and baking soda until the pH is about 8.0. Add to the acidic solution, stirring regularly, until the pH reaches 8.0. The crystals are now ?loose? in the solution and ripe for the plucking!
11) Again we will be using naphtha as our solvent but this time, since the crystals are not dissolved in the liquid, they will migrate to the naphtha layer. Put the basified liquid into the separatory funnel and add 75mL of naphtha. It?s pretty much the same as the defatting, except we want to keep BOTH layers, but keep them separate. Repeat this step 2-3 times saving the naphtha each time and re-extracting with fresh naphtha from the basified solution.
12) Now we have naphtha that has all of the alkaloids in it. The basified solution can be tossed. Just to make sure that we got all of the baking soda out we?ll add some water to the naphtha in the separatory funnel and wash it out again. You can shake the separatory funnel now as hard as you want to, as the layers will separate quite rapidly. Do this twice, tossing the water and keeping the naphtha.
13) Time to evaporate that naphtha and watch our crystals form! Put a fan blowing on the naphtha and some heat underneath if you can. Pyrex dishes are great for extractions because you can scrape the crystals off so easy. Don?t get it hotter than 90?F. Naphtha takes a while to evaporate but I guarantee you that it will do just that.
14) After you evaporate the naphtha you?ll be left with some crystals. Put them in a coffee filter and pour extremely cold water over them. Just 100mL or so will be enough to wash away any parts still there that aren?t desired in the finished product. Scrape the crystals off of the filter and allow them to dry in a dark place.


That should do it! Psilocybin/psilocin crystals. Feedback welcome!

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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what would be the storing parameters and lifespan of these crystals?

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: kbilly]
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according to Kitchen Chemistry from Lycaeum

Quote:
Psilocin
Grind dried carpophores in a coffee grinder or fresh mushrooms in a blender. Apply the DMT algorithm.



So if this method works for DMT, should for psilocybin I guess. Be sure to post your results. If it works I'd definately give it a try. Methods posted on the other popular mushroom board often times involve simply making it into a 'shroom alcohol, which I'm less interested in. One method, with pics yielded nice blue crystals. But upon ingesting them the guy found them ineffective.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: freakygurl]
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Vaka said:
A little bit on topic... Can you smoke freebase psilocin? It would be fun to try at least once.



Would a nice weed topping, If it yeilded effects.  :stoned:

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: vc77] * 1
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Psilocin dosent need or want to be burnt, make tabs or liquid hits. :mushroom2:

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: Gr0wer]
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what about the efficiency of this method?
can u extract the psi content of, lets say, 50g dry matter without loosing
any of the psi power in the final extract?

say, that 1/25 of the final extract would still have the same power on me like 2g dry matter?

peace ohm :mushroom2:


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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hmmmmm...i've pondered on this but never attempted it.is this your own extraction process or did you read this from another site?if you could xtract the majic this easy i would think many people would be doing it and talking about it just like they do with DMT.please let us know what happens.i got a friend with some dry field shrooms and i might get him to try this 2nite.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: freakygurl]
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Quote:
Vaka said:
A little bit on topic... Can you smoke freebase psilocin? It would be fun to try at least once.




I'd really, really like to know the answer to this.  As far as I'm concerned, it is still up for debate.  Please give it a shot if you are successful!  And remember that psilocybin melts at a low temperature, so you'd want an oil pipe/freebase pipe, and to start off with gentle heat.

Maybe you can snort it!  :grin:

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: kbilly]
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You'd want them to be dry and cold. Vaccuum sealed in a freezer, placed in capsules in the freezer, etc. Something like that.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: skullfarmer1979]
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skull - Just some theories. The DEA website, i'll find a link when I get home in a little bit, talks about doing an a/b extraction on shroom choclates to get the psilocybin that those bastards need for a conviction. Thanks for the info cocksuckers!

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: Koala Koolio]
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I don't know why the crystals would be blue, psilocybin isn't. Thats just a re-hash of the myth that bluing = psilocybin (or oxidation of the psilocybin, both false).

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: freakygurl]
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I think I'm going to try it tonight maybe. Depends on wether or not the shroomies are "cracker dry" or not.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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thanks retread, i assume they oxidize, maybe if kept in co2 in a bottle would also be good. smoking may work but compared to ingesting it would be very wastefull, you probably have to smoke 10 times the amount unless you got a medical vaporizer. the extraction should get out most of the actives in the powder if done correctly, so yes youd get all the potency out, it may even be more "potent" because taking it in this form may make absorption easier eg you take the same amount in extracted or shrooms but youd piss out less, but thats just speculation, it may be that the faster absorbtion of crystals may make you pee out more.

doesnt really matter though your still gonna get wasted.
but would be use full form of transport and storage.
personally id stick that crystal in my bum, best absorption.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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retread said:
I don't know why the crystals would be blue, psilocybin isn't. Thats just a re-hash of the myth that bluing = psilocybin (or oxidation of the psilocybin, both false).



Can you give more info to support this claim?? Everything I have read by many long time experts say other wise. :confused:


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: Fucknuckle]
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Every single extraction tek that is shown with pictures doesn't end up with a blue anything. Their just isn't any REAL evidence, other than "everyone thinks so, so it must be true!" to the claims.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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Where can I find Naptha or a good substitute?  My friend wants to make mushroom beer with an extract.....  :cheers: and where can I find a seperatory funnel?  (Besides a mail order lab supply place or stealing one from the chem lab)

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: freakygurl]
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"Well... that's still a topic of heated debate, bro. The most recent theories are leaning toward the bluing being caused by an actual pigment-forming group that attaches to (or forms on) some of the psilocin as it sits in the cells.

The actual blue stuff in these mushrooms has never been structurally identified despite repeated studies of psilocin oxidation.

In 1968, Bocks did a study reporting that an artificially produced blue compound was similar to the natural blue colorant... this was psilocin oxidized with laccase.

The latest study I can find (2001) proposes two hypothetical structures for the blue and the reduced colorless (after bluing fades) molecules... these are the "psindigo" and "leucopsindigo" forms, respectively. However, the actual structural work has not yet been performed as far as I know.

I'm just a detail monger... ask anyone.

Yes, psilocybin is amphoteric. A very annoying fact for those wishing to try an A/B extraction on mushrooms."

from ion at thenook.

http://forum.thenook.org/index.php?showtopic=2658&hl=psilocybin+extract

an extract guide as well.


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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i found the dea site you were refering to retread,and i see they used chloroform to remove alkaloids from basified solution and i saw somewhere else that you would need chloroform to do this step.
i also looked on rhodium and they didn't say anything about an a/b extraction but they did say that an extraction with pure methanol seems to be the best method.
i wonder if you could extract with methanol and then some how clean up the gunk that is left and be left with crystals?
there was some disturbing info on that dea site.it was alot of info about salvia.even though i don't like salvia,i think it's sad to ban something that hasn't killed anyone and allow the cigarette makers to mass produce something that produces little effect but are highly addictive and deadly.


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Edited by skullfarmer1979 (10/22/04 10:26 AM)

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: skullfarmer1979]
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I think that doing the a/b extraction will get all of the alkaloids into the base solution, and that from there, naptha will work fine. Methanol wouldn't work at all, from there, as it's miscible with water.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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You know, not to be a bitch, but I just don't see the point in this. Well..I don't see the point in extracting from fruits. Everyone knows that psilocybin is a very sensitive compond and that 4-ho tryptamines degrade in the pressence of air. So, why not just leave them in they easy to carry and dose mushroom form?
Although, if you are just going to farm the myc and extract without fruiting, that makes sense.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: rdnp2035]
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Traveling with shrooms is a bad idea. Traveling with some 00 capsules in a pill bottle isn't :smile:

plus, chemistry is fun!

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: rdnp2035] * 1
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Also, when harvesting bulk mushrooms that are a dose-per-mushroom (35 wet gram type shrooms) you could do this procedure and weigh the results. Immediatly after harvest a clone would be taken of each mushroom and labelled. Whichever mushroom had the higher % of psilocybin per gram would be the one used as the clone master. I'm not sure if this would even work, really, but if so, it would be a nice way to determine which fruits have the most psilocybin content. This really could answer a lot of questions about cultivation. If a clone could be made and all mushrooms from that clone would have the exact same pislocybin content, one could determine if more psilocybin was produced sa the veil opened. It's a great method of assay, if it truely works.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: retread]
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This experiment was attempted and was sucessful. 5g of compost/straw substrate b+ were used, the resulting crystal powder was not weighed as my .001 scales have not arrived yet, but they were bioassayed to be EXTREMELY potent.
Sucess!

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: retread]
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Was the entire result of the 5 grams tested as extremely potent, or a fraction of it?

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: Koala Koolio]
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Heh, all of it. It was VERY powerful. I think once I get better isolates I'm going to start doing 1 gram extractions... actually, come to think of it, when I get my scales, I can do it with 1 oz at a time and just measure out the doses.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: retread]
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wow. Sounds great. Any chance of a pic on those crystals? I assume its just an alkaloid extraction like most others, and while its not pure psilocin/cybin... any idea how much of it is?

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: Koala Koolio]
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No pic, no estimate as to the amount. Maybe .2 grams or so? When I get the scales I will repeat this procedure and supplement with pictures.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: retread]
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hmm. Well a good dose of psilocybin should be around 10 milligrams if I remember correctly right?

And since you did 5 grams worth, a somewhat heavy dose, it was probably between 10 and 20 max. Soo.. if it really was 200 milligrams its still fairly unpure, but nothing that can't fit in a gelcap (is that how you took it btw?).

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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I have my doubts that this tech would every yeild crystals. The problem is that both psilocybin and psilocyn have both acidic and basic groups, so they will always (in theory) be more hydrophilic (go into water) than lipophilic. I have posted a number of times a method that does work, but you will need chloroform and methanol.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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This would work only if the genetics of the mushrooms were the only variable. Since you cannot have a true control group as all substrate preparations would be different as well as specific environmental factors, you could only suggest a solution to your hypothesis.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: retread]
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a friend of mine is waiting on his naptha to evap now!he used 7dry grams in his extraction.he also has some mg scales so i'll let ya'll know what the end result is.this guy can do wonders with MHRB so if this extraction can really be done,he can do it!
i was wondering retread,what color were the crystals?


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: pacopaco]
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pacopaco said:
Where can I find Naptha or a good substitute?  My friend wants to make mushroom beer with an extract.....  :cheers: and where can I find a seperatory funnel?  (Besides a mail order lab supply place or stealing one from the chem lab)



Ever heard of Ebay?


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: retread]
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all the naptha is gone and no crystals were left.he did scrape up approx 20mgs goo though.i will find out tonight if it is active.
if a gram of shrooms has 5 mgs psilocybin in it then 7grams should have 35mgs in it.i was expecting results close to the 20mg amount because i knew not all the pslio would make it to the end,but i guess i'll find out 2nite.


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Edited by skullfarmer1979 (10/27/04 12:40 PM)

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: skullfarmer1979]
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>I have my doubts that this tech would every yeild crystals. The >problem is that both psilocybin and psilocyn have both acidic and >basic groups, so they will always (in theory) be more hydrophilic (go >into water) than lipophilic. I have posted a number of times a method >that does work, but you will need chloroform and methanol.

but

>>5) Mix up another 200mL of distilled water and acid to a pH of 2. >>Add this to the Mason jar that contains the mushroom powder.

so is it not like this, that the psilocybin salt is made like this, cause the acidic side is saturated, and the crystals will fall out of the solvent ?

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: skullfarmer1979]
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the goo was not active!!i doubt you know what your talking about retard i mean retread.i guess i need to try it with some chloroform.
can anyone tell me if HEET brand methanol is pure enough to use in an extraction?even if i did use methanol in the extraction process i would not want to try the end product myself due to health concerns.i wonder if you could use another solvent to wash the end product of the methanol extraction better?


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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... - SUCCESS! [Re: skullfarmer1979]
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I was looking for a hot plate... but i really couldnt find one that had a thermostat on it... could anyone point me in the right direction?

Por Favor?

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: retread]
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5 dried grams of psilocybe cubensis is 5000 milligrams of powder.

In those five thousand milligrams, only 15 to 25 or so are the actual psilocine crystals obtainable from the five thousand milligrams. And only psilocin is water soulable. You will not get any psilocybine. And then your body converts through amination, psilocine to psilocybine.

And methanol is what has been used to eextract before in laboratory research. It works. Would never use naptha.

mj

However, the dose is a minute amount of crystals.

Good luck

and if the material is not evaporated completely of the cleaning solvent, it can cause medical problems.

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Re: Psilocybin Extraction with A/B yielding crystals... [Re: kbilly]
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I was giving you tek a run down and I came up with a step that might help your Psilocin from degrading in your tek, when it's with extracted into the non-polar solvent naturally the non-polar solvent will degrade some of the psilocin, but I think that if you were to mix in Vitamin C it will bond with the psilocin and the two will be more stable for the refinement processes. Hit me up iconicdave@pm.me

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