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"True" Love and "True" Friends
    #3257179 - 10/20/04 06:51 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I contend that "true" love and / or "true" friendship is a popular social myth and is merely an ad hoc analysis.

My grandparents were married for 52 years and then got divorced. "I guess it wasn't true love then."

Should we stand by friends no matter what they do? Some 20 years ago, I had a friend who made a total ass of himself in a bar and got his butt kicked. I did nothing and watched as he brought it on himself. He was pissed at me and said that I was not a "true friend".


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Swami]
    #3257208 - 10/20/04 06:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

there is a difference between compassion and love
love would be to hold onto the marriage saying things such as even though it hurts us both in general it brings me some sort of immediate happiness that i long for or saying 52 years is to long to have wasted by letting this marriage end.
compassion is logical love, it is analyzing the situation and discovering what is the most beneficial thing to do for both people. compassion takes both peoples wants and feelings into consideration.


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Swami] * 1
    #3257270 - 10/20/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Roleplaying gets annoying especially when the roleplayers dont see the roles that they play.

I have no friends. I have people who consider me their friend, but I greet everyone the same.

And true love as most understand, is a sham, its either A) a hot chick or B) a replacement for your parental figure(s). Exceptions have been known, however. I consider true love to be unconditional loving towards all of humanity.


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: psyka]
    #3257283 - 10/20/04 07:12 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i agree with b) a replacement for parental figures.

i have been living with that most of my adult life.


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: psyka]
    #3257345 - 10/20/04 07:23 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I consider true love to be unconditional loving towards all of humanity.

Another myth. Have you ever witnessed this? If I raped your girlfriend (and she got off  :heart:) and beat you with a club, would you still love me?


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Swami]
    #3257435 - 10/20/04 07:40 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm...well, of course I wouldnt. But then again you wouldnt be very humane if you did that.


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: psyka]
    #3257456 - 10/20/04 07:45 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Hmmm...well, of course I wouldnt.

Then why do you believe in unconditional love?


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Swami]
    #3257461 - 10/20/04 07:47 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

*cough* towards humanity (MWAHAHAHA saved by definitions).

Your point was made, and understood. I however stand by my idea and will be open to all people I meet until they rape my girlfriend (and get her off) and club me in the forehead.


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: psyka]
    #3257472 - 10/20/04 07:49 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

2/3 of all women get sexually harassed in love
its also believed that over 80% of women do not report it
are you saying then that the majority of humanity is not humane?


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: psyka]
    #3257490 - 10/20/04 07:53 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I however stand by my idea and will be open to all people I meet until ...

UNTIL is a conditional. End-of-discussion.


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Swami]
    #3257516 - 10/20/04 07:57 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

:smile:

good call swami

I do think such a thing could exist, although I also think that the majority of humans - myself included - have yet to achieve it, atleast permanently.

(to clarify - this is unconditional love, and not "true" love/friendship in the common sense of the term)


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: spud]
    #3257543 - 10/20/04 08:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

spud said:
2/3 of all women get sexually harassed in love
its also believed that over 80% of women do not report it
are you saying then that the majority of humanity is not humane?




Where did you get these numbers? Are we just to believe you?

HOwever, if these are accurate representations of reality then either a) humanity is living in a hodge podge of immorality, or b) we need a more lenient definition of humanity.


Or perhaps, it is truly humane to forgive. Turn the other cheek, let him rape you and then club your girlfriend?


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: NariusFractal]
    #3257548 - 10/20/04 08:03 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

http://www.usdoj.gov/
we looked over it in our sociology class


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: spud]
    #3257601 - 10/20/04 08:14 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i think true love exists. its when you truly love someone. Maybe true love doesnt always last forever, or maybe your granparents just didnt find true love. Most people who believe in true love contend that is a rare and difficult thing to find, and only a few are lucky enough to find it. So, the fact that your granparents (and thousands of other people) have gotten divorced, doest mean true love doesnt exist.

I would contend that i feel true love for my family, or at least my parents, although ive never had love of any kind beyond lust for a girl.

Yet.

And as for unconditional love of humanity, only a VERY few people are able to achieve that, or even seek to. But jesus last words after being tortured to death were words of love. "father forgive them'

Like true love, those who speak of unconditional love say it is the HIGHEST love, love like gods. Thus it is nescessarily a difficult and rare state of achievement. But, it is an admiral goal/


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Moonshoe]
    #3257618 - 10/20/04 08:17 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i think true love exists. its when you truly love someone.

That clears it up for me.


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Swami]
    #3257625 - 10/20/04 08:18 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
i think true love exists. its when you truly love someone.

That clears it up for me.



hahaha


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Swami]
    #3257719 - 10/20/04 08:37 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
I however stand by my idea and will be open to all people I meet until ...

UNTIL is a conditional. End-of-discussion.




Eh, you're correct, but who creates this condition? It really isnt a sense of programming (self created condition) in your scenario, but rather a case of survival. If someone threatens my survival then its apparent I cannot have a relationship with that person unless he permits it.


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: Swami]
    #3257755 - 10/20/04 08:46 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

i think the word "true" is really confusing here. As if I could ever tell you if your love is real or not.

and just because you get married for 50+ years, does that make the good times before totally moot?

I have been thinking about unconditional love a lot lately. is that word a little general?


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: kaiowas]
    #3257779 - 10/20/04 08:52 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

another question

is such a thing as false love?

if so define it for me :wink:


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Annnnnnd I had a light saber and my friend was there and I said "you look like an indian" and he said "you look like satan" and he found a stick and a rock and he named the rock ooga booga and he named the stick Stick and we both thought that was pretty funny. We got eaten alive by mosquitos but didn't notice til the next day. I stepped on some glass while wading in the swamp and cut my foot open, didn't bother me til the next day either....yeah it was a good time, ended the night by buying some liquor for minors and drinking nips and going to he diner and eating chicken fingers, and then I went home and went to bed.---senior doobie


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Re: "True" Love and "True" Friends [Re: kaiowas]
    #3258022 - 10/20/04 10:27 PM (12 years, 1 month ago)

I think the only 'true' love I see nowadays is the love of a mother for her child.  Most mothers would give up their lives to save their child.. Thats a special kind of love.  I don't think many married couples would make that kind of sacrifice.
What most people consider real love seems to come and go.  I think most people love how they feel around their 'soul' mate, rather then loving their 'soul' mate.  if that makes any sense

anyway these are just my observations, i could be wrong - don't attack me :smile:


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