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OfflineBlueOrb
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Why wont these bastards pin?
    #3255311 - 10/20/04 10:47 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

O.k, Ive got 20 cakes (P.F Tek)sitting in my terrarium that will not pin. They sat in there for about 8 days with nothing happening, so I was advised to cold shock/dunk/roll them. This I did 4 days ago, and returned them to the terraruim. However, still no sign of pinning. Strain = Thai and Florida + All cakes 100% colonised. Temps between 68-74 fanning x5 times per day, misting x1 per day. Humidity high...
So what the fuck is goin on?
Please help!
Very frustrated learner mycologist!
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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3255316 - 10/20/04 10:49 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

patience.... it can take up to 20 days+- some times...


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: dobinky]
    #3255363 - 10/20/04 11:09 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

dobinki 20+ days is a long time to wait man thats 3 weeks it that due to the strain or sumthin.


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: insanity_420]
    #3255374 - 10/20/04 11:13 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

factors vary from one grow to another...all you can do is wait and make more jars =)


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: insanity_420]
    #3255380 - 10/20/04 11:16 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Everyone seems to brag about pins in 4 days! so what am I doing wrong?
Bastards.....Bastards.......Bastards........
My fellow psychonauts are eager for fruits, and I have to keep dissapointing them!
When is harvest festival? :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: pin! Pin! Pin!


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3255386 - 10/20/04 11:19 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

It would be good if there was some sort of workshop for people to attend to help improve there grow technique.....what do you think!
I get so jealous when I see how successful some of you guys are! Where am I going wrong?
:crymeariver: Its a sad story!


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3255387 - 10/20/04 11:20 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

took me around 7-9 days for them to pin, but once they started there were hundreds of them. When they first start out, they are extremely tiny, and you can't see them unless you are looking really hard. So perhaps go have another look and see if you can make out any very tiny ones :P

you seem to be doing everything right, so just keep it up and dont give up on them yet.


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: fearfect]
    #3255433 - 10/20/04 11:38 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

As a point of comparison, I have four PF jars, all inoculated at the same time.

Two of them populated quicker than the others, and had pinned in the jars, so I birthed them first.

Cold shocked the other two, birthed a few days later.

The first two I have harvested large mushies from, the other two have yet to pin (altho one appears to be starting).

All are in a 10-gallon aquarium, temp varies from 66-75F, RH 85-100%.

Who knows why...


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: ironcloudz]
    #3255923 - 10/20/04 02:06 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Hehe, I've recently birthed several cakes and made a few casings. A few cakes have already produced mushrooms while some have yet to pin at all.

My advice to myself and others is -- patience and keep the cycle going by making more jars and casings!!!!


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: wyoshroomr]
    #3256501 - 10/20/04 04:34 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Cheers guys........will keep you informed of developments!


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3256641 - 10/20/04 05:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Get a pinning strategy heres one that works for cakes as well:
Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy
Now heres what you can expect you just cold shocked them so those 8 days are really meaningless only because you've cold shocked and are fuiting at lower temps. Now starting from 4 days ago at your lower than optimum temps you can expect knotting to occur around 10 days (rough guess) now you did have them under 12-16hrs. of light right? With that 8 days of transition from vegetative to generative you should be ahead of that schedule somewhat :wink: If you can bring temps up to mid 70's (75-77F.) that will speed things up a bit also. Tip to remember mushies don't like changes, cold shocking is not necessary if you incubated 8-10F. degrees higher than fruiting but I have found them to respond well to dunking in the fridge (cold shocking). I recommend slight increase in temps and a light misting AFTER each fanning and lots of patients you've still got a few days to go maybe even a week? Patience is a virtue! GL


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3256664 - 10/20/04 05:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

try fanning it all started when i started fanning


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3256820 - 10/20/04 05:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Thats odd that all 20 show no signs of pinning.


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3256873 - 10/20/04 05:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

zxsevinr said:
try fanning it all started when i started fanning


Fanning alone will not produce pins there is a process of triggered responses that occur that causes the myc to switch from vegetative (growing) to generative (fruiting). Read the link if your not perfect clear as whats what in Pinners town. GL guys


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Gas Exchange vs. FAE

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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3257268 - 10/20/04 07:08 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

hyphae, could you cut and paste the info from your link... ACCESS DENIED. also is 25 watt blue tinted bulb enough for lighting? thanks my friend.

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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3257289 - 10/20/04 07:13 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Fanning alone will produce pins

It's just not going to make a very good pin set


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3257335 - 10/20/04 07:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
Fanning alone will produce pins

It's just not going to make a very good pin set


I disagree! Were talking consistantly here. Your advice is suggesting the hell with pinning triggers WTF? You trying to help or hinder bro?


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3257336 - 10/20/04 07:22 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I'm a first time grower and mine took about 6 days (after dunking in refridgerator). I hadn't realized at first that most of them were pinning because the pins were actually coming from the underside. The cakes are sitting on wire mesh and for some reason the mushrooms preferred growing downward. I flipped the cakes over, set the cakes on a solid dish (to block light from bottom), and adjusted the lighting and hopefully the shrooms will grow in right direction. My point is that the pins might be hidden as was the case during my cultivation. As another tip I would try to keep the environment changing throughout the day (humid to semi-humid, light to dark, warm to warmer, etc.).


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: beejay]
    #3257362 - 10/20/04 07:26 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

beejay said:
hyphae, could you cut and paste the info from your link... ACCESS DENIED. also is 25 watt blue tinted bulb enough for lighting? thanks my friend.

beejay


I suggest registering as the pics are just as important as the rest (almost) :wink: I'm going to see about getting it archived then everyone will have access. :wink:


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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: neverlast01]
    #3257365 - 10/20/04 07:27 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

8 days and no pins is nothing to worry about. wait more... and don't call them "bastards" if you want them to pin


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: neverlast01]
    #3257411 - 10/20/04 07:35 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

neverlast01 said:
  As another tip I would try to keep the environment changing throughout the day (humid to semi-humid, light to dark, warm to warmer, etc.).


Mushrooms do not do well with a changing environment, 6T (Mycota) as well as others have found this out the hard way. Shrooms love non-fluctuating environments so they can deal with the work at hand (reproducing) not acclimating to a changing environments. FYI GL and welcome! :cool: :thumbup:


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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3257425 - 10/20/04 07:38 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

No I did no such thing Sir

I simply said that pins will happen with fanning alone. I see it in my grows often. I am a part time grower and other times very seriuos and dedicated to doing things right. Sometimes I just get lazy. I have never had any cake never pin. They all pin. To say you must have all three triggers to produce pins is not true.

There are the right ways and the lazy ways. You are right consistant pin set require good pinning stragety. But to say they won't pin at all without it is false.


If this was true then please explain how Invetro pinning works??


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3257444 - 10/20/04 07:42 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

thank you hyphae


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3257462 - 10/20/04 07:47 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

The point of these forums is to teach success not knit pick moot points. Any one here want to learn mycology or just come to argue? Raise your hands! You are simply throwing in a monkey wrench fucknuckle. It is not welcome bro. I respect you! Please respect what I'm trying to do here please! We want newbies here to have prolific flushes don't you?


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3257482 - 10/20/04 07:51 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yes I do. I would like all newbees to be sucessful

But I also have some sort of respect for the truth

And truth is not picking. What you said was't true


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3257552 - 10/20/04 08:04 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Case in point we need to help a certain someone here and I've seen cakes which would not pin for nothing with 4hrs. of light exposure explode with pins after being exposed to 12-16hrs of light duration now you would think 1/2 milisecond would be enough but not always! So we're trying to troubleshoot this guys problem. I know for a fact that jars pin invitro with high co2 levels but I'm not going to point that out everytime either it just doesn't help the cause. I have a lot of respect for you and your opinion fucknuckle what I said may not be totally true you are correct but what I was trying to do was true from my heart and that is to help this guy.


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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3257613 - 10/20/04 08:16 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah I know you are one of the best guys around the grow forums that is why you made Moderator

Please don't think I am fronting you off. Sometimes it may seem that way.

I have total respect for you

Your the best


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3257727 - 10/20/04 08:40 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I hear what your saying but that would sabotage all that Paul Stamets, Jeremy Bigwood, Oss & Oeric, Stephen Peele, as well as dozens of other myco pioneers have worked so hard to accomplish. Bottom line mushrooms have set parameters things can happen outside these parameters but results will be less than desired. We're a community here and I'd like to think we look out for eachother and I think you are a valuable asset to this community so with that said lets spread the word ok? GL Bro  :thumbup: :hippie:


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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3258380 - 10/20/04 11:49 PM (16 years, 10 months ago)

I agree. When people are asking for help I don't think everyone wants the minimum. No one cares if they eventually will or wont pin. The point of this post is the person was sitting 8 days no pins. Utilizing proper triggers can minimize the time your sitting there. Why not do things right? To much info is being spread around on how to do things half assed..forget what will work and start doing what your should to give you want you want out of your grow. If someone has a problem with they're cakes not pinning after 8 days don't just tell them to wait longer, make sure their triggers are optimized first and if so, then still wait. That's how you really help people..


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: scatmanrav]
    #3259656 - 10/21/04 09:58 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks you guys...especially Hyphae.

Yeah, there not bastards, there my babies, I'm just a little frustrated with the waiting. Mushroom cultivation I find very labour intesive, and after all the effort and waiting so far, I just want these mushroom yeilds to be optimal.

A qustion about light. At present they are getting dim natural light for aprox 8-9hours. Would using an artificial light high in the bluee spectrum make any difference or not?

Anyway.......will keep you informed of progress, poss some pictures too!

Thanks guys! :cheers:


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3259834 - 10/21/04 11:18 AM (16 years, 10 months ago)

Sorry.. a bit off topic...

I know I had a splendid result with my first grow. But it's not all about success, though I tend to tell success stories more, because I think success came from good advices from the community. Technically, my first grow grow would be BU which was slightly packed and had a hard time colonizing. Took me 2 days to find better ways. I then learned from it and moved on, isolating and sticking with what works best. Without mentioning failures, I think it does put a lot of newcomers in despair when they don't see the optimum results right away.

I think it's healthy that we have few errant comments now and then, so this type of discussion can be explored.

I know for the past months, everyone had taught me something valuable. Thanx for all the successful methods and those not so successful methods.

I'm glad to see that no one is taking "I disagree" to the heart. I think all of us have a lot more to learn as cultivation process gets refined.

With that said... I think, if you are going to be technical and point out something, please do so with conditions it'll follow. If it's one of those "it will work also", then also specify "best, better, about the same, worse, barely". The procedures to explore lower limits is only going to take us backwards. We need to move ahead and find easy, practical and most successful methods. There is a balance of three we can explore to move ahead. That's where experience should take us.

Well... that's just what I think.

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