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OfflineBlueOrb
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Why wont these bastards pin?
    #3255311 - 10/20/04 10:47 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

O.k, Ive got 20 cakes (P.F Tek)sitting in my terrarium that will not pin. They sat in there for about 8 days with nothing happening, so I was advised to cold shock/dunk/roll them. This I did 4 days ago, and returned them to the terraruim. However, still no sign of pinning. Strain = Thai and Florida + All cakes 100% colonised. Temps between 68-74 fanning x5 times per day, misting x1 per day. Humidity high...
So what the fuck is goin on?
Please help!
Very frustrated learner mycologist!
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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3255316 - 10/20/04 10:49 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

patience.... it can take up to 20 days+- some times...


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: dobinky]
    #3255363 - 10/20/04 11:09 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

dobinki 20+ days is a long time to wait man thats 3 weeks it that due to the strain or sumthin.


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: insanity_420]
    #3255374 - 10/20/04 11:13 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

factors vary from one grow to another...all you can do is wait and make more jars =)


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: insanity_420]
    #3255380 - 10/20/04 11:16 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Everyone seems to brag about pins in 4 days! so what am I doing wrong?
Bastards.....Bastards.......Bastards........
My fellow psychonauts are eager for fruits, and I have to keep dissapointing them!
When is harvest festival? :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: :mushroomgrow: pin! Pin! Pin!


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3255386 - 10/20/04 11:19 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

It would be good if there was some sort of workshop for people to attend to help improve there grow technique.....what do you think!
I get so jealous when I see how successful some of you guys are! Where am I going wrong?
:crymeariver: Its a sad story!


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3255387 - 10/20/04 11:20 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

took me around 7-9 days for them to pin, but once they started there were hundreds of them. When they first start out, they are extremely tiny, and you can't see them unless you are looking really hard. So perhaps go have another look and see if you can make out any very tiny ones :P

you seem to be doing everything right, so just keep it up and dont give up on them yet.


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: fearfect]
    #3255433 - 10/20/04 11:38 AM (12 years, 9 months ago)

As a point of comparison, I have four PF jars, all inoculated at the same time.

Two of them populated quicker than the others, and had pinned in the jars, so I birthed them first.

Cold shocked the other two, birthed a few days later.

The first two I have harvested large mushies from, the other two have yet to pin (altho one appears to be starting).

All are in a 10-gallon aquarium, temp varies from 66-75F, RH 85-100%.

Who knows why...


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: ironcloudz]
    #3255923 - 10/20/04 02:06 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Hehe, I've recently birthed several cakes and made a few casings. A few cakes have already produced mushrooms while some have yet to pin at all.

My advice to myself and others is -- patience and keep the cycle going by making more jars and casings!!!!


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: wyoshroomr]
    #3256501 - 10/20/04 04:34 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Cheers guys........will keep you informed of developments!


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: BlueOrb]
    #3256641 - 10/20/04 05:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Get a pinning strategy heres one that works for cakes as well:
Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy
Now heres what you can expect you just cold shocked them so those 8 days are really meaningless only because you've cold shocked and are fuiting at lower temps. Now starting from 4 days ago at your lower than optimum temps you can expect knotting to occur around 10 days (rough guess) now you did have them under 12-16hrs. of light right? With that 8 days of transition from vegetative to generative you should be ahead of that schedule somewhat :wink: If you can bring temps up to mid 70's (75-77F.) that will speed things up a bit also. Tip to remember mushies don't like changes, cold shocking is not necessary if you incubated 8-10F. degrees higher than fruiting but I have found them to respond well to dunking in the fridge (cold shocking). I recommend slight increase in temps and a light misting AFTER each fanning and lots of patients you've still got a few days to go maybe even a week? Patience is a virtue! GL


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3256664 - 10/20/04 05:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

try fanning it all started when i started fanning


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3256820 - 10/20/04 05:38 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Thats odd that all 20 show no signs of pinning.


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: zxsevinr]
    #3256873 - 10/20/04 05:49 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

zxsevinr said:
try fanning it all started when i started fanning


Fanning alone will not produce pins there is a process of triggered responses that occur that causes the myc to switch from vegetative (growing) to generative (fruiting). Read the link if your not perfect clear as whats what in Pinners town. GL guys


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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3257268 - 10/20/04 07:08 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

hyphae, could you cut and paste the info from your link... ACCESS DENIED. also is 25 watt blue tinted bulb enough for lighting? thanks my friend.

beejay


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: hyphae]
    #3257289 - 10/20/04 07:13 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Fanning alone will produce pins

It's just not going to make a very good pin set


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3257335 - 10/20/04 07:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

Fucknuckle said:
Fanning alone will produce pins

It's just not going to make a very good pin set


I disagree! Were talking consistantly here. Your advice is suggesting the hell with pinning triggers WTF? You trying to help or hinder bro?


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Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: Fucknuckle]
    #3257336 - 10/20/04 07:22 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

I'm a first time grower and mine took about 6 days (after dunking in refridgerator). I hadn't realized at first that most of them were pinning because the pins were actually coming from the underside. The cakes are sitting on wire mesh and for some reason the mushrooms preferred growing downward. I flipped the cakes over, set the cakes on a solid dish (to block light from bottom), and adjusted the lighting and hopefully the shrooms will grow in right direction. My point is that the pins might be hidden as was the case during my cultivation. As another tip I would try to keep the environment changing throughout the day (humid to semi-humid, light to dark, warm to warmer, etc.).


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: beejay]
    #3257362 - 10/20/04 07:26 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

Quote:

beejay said:
hyphae, could you cut and paste the info from your link... ACCESS DENIED. also is 25 watt blue tinted bulb enough for lighting? thanks my friend.

beejay


I suggest registering as the pics are just as important as the rest (almost) :wink: I'm going to see about getting it archived then everyone will have access. :wink:


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Getting the most out of your casings!, A pinning strategy.
Oyster Shell "Flour" $2 for 1lb. a hell of a deal :wink:
Not what is overlay but rather what overlay is
Gas Exchange vs. FAE

"We all have priorities. I used a closet once setup a nice little lab trouble was all the shit that was in there ended up in the bedroom that pissed off the GF then I ended up dumping her as she was getting in the way of my sterile culture technique! Ya I got priorities too!!!"


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Re: Why wont these bastards pin? [Re: neverlast01]
    #3257365 - 10/20/04 07:27 PM (12 years, 9 months ago)

8 days and no pins is nothing to worry about. wait more... and don't call them "bastards" if you want them to pin


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