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Offlinekadakuda
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    #3253818 - 10/20/04 12:05 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

found these in a field when i was looking for liberty caps.  It is a 2 sided grass feild that slopes down slightly into the middle and becomes marshy/tiny pond like.  it was back in the stone ages used for cows, not is used for hay in drier months.  south west bc, vancouver island.

It was raining today and yesterday and misty the day before.  sunny for a few days before that...quite cold.  can see my breath mid day, usually around 8-10 celcius.

Cap:  1.4-2.3 cm wide, 0.9-1.7 high.  very dark brown, pretty much same colour all the way through.  they appear to get lighter spots on them when they were in the sun, or drying...only a couple of the bigger ones have that.  at first it looked slimy and fealt it, but that was in the rain.  no its dried off and it looks and sorta feels velvety or rubbery.  the margin does have a lighter almost white edge, but VERY little...pinstripe.

Stem:  very long and slender.  6-13 cm high, most in the 10 area.  similar colour to cap but a little lighter/maybe reddy?  also has a kind of sheen to it.  can wrap around my finger but it does sorta break and hold its shape.  weakly fibrous. 1.5-2.5mm thick.  it appears hollow, but its hard for me to see very well (eyesight)

smell mushy.

gills:  They dont apear to be attached to the stem.  they do attach to the cap.  not overly clustered, fairly organised looking.  quite dark.

spore print BLACK

I dont think they are foens cause the print is black and the gills are above the cap.





thanks for any help :smile:


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Edited by kadakuda (10/20/04 02:58 AM)


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Re: Pan Subs? id help [Re: kadakuda]
    #3253822 - 10/20/04 12:07 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

should also note that there were younger ones that were identicle but lighter in all aspects (stem, gills, cap) and the cap was more high and narrow.


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Re: Pan Subs? id help [Re: kadakuda]
    #3254145 - 10/20/04 01:13 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'm thinking they aren't subbs. I'm no expert or anything but I pick loads of these and The stems won't bend at all when you try to, they snap right in half.


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Re: Pan Subs? id help [Re: vandago]
    #3254602 - 10/20/04 02:59 AM (13 years, 1 month ago)

wierd thing happened...they have been sitting in my drawer for i guess 7 hours now. they have gone really light brown, like i started bleaching them or somthing. very strange....the darker ones in teh pic are what they all were like.


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Re: Pan Subs? id help [Re: kadakuda]
    #3255562 - 10/20/04 12:27 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

Nope Siree


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Re: Pan Subs? id help [Re: kadakuda]
    #3255564 - 10/20/04 12:28 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I always assumed they grew in muclh anyway, very uncommon in grass.


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Re: Pan Subs? id help [Re: Marcd046]
    #3255683 - 10/20/04 01:10 PM (13 years, 1 month ago)

I'm almost 100% sure they are Panaeolus papilionaceus

Panaeolus papilionaceus (Fries) Qu?let
Champ. Jura. Vosg. 1: 151. 1872.

Synonyms: Panaeolus campanulatus, Panaeolus retirugis, Panaeolus sphinctrinus
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Pileus

Cap 1.5-4.0 cm broad, obtusely conic, becoming bell-shaped; margin at first slightly incurved, then decurved, decorated with white veil fragments, the latter sometimes obscure in age; surface smooth, dry, subviscid in moist weather, olive-brown to grey-brown, occasionally yellowish-brown to reddish-brown at the disc; flesh greyish to buff-brown, thin; odor mild.
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Lamellae

Gills adnate to adnexed, sometimes seceding, close, broad, pale grey, the faces mottled darker from maturing spores, edges pallid; in age blackish overall.
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Stipe

Stipe 6-12 cm long, 2-4 mm thick, slender, fragile, hollow, more or less equal but sometimes slightly enlarged at the apex and base; surface striate above, otherwise pruinose (at least when young), grey-brown, darker where handled; partial veil fibrillose-membranous, white, evanescent, leaving fragments on the pileal margin.
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Spores

Spores 12-17 x 7-10 ?m, elliptical, smooth, with an apical pore; spore print black.
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Habitat

Fruiting singly or in small groups on cow/horse manure and in pastures; fruiting spring and fall.
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Edibility

Not recommended; probably not toxic, but related species maybe mildly hallucinogenic.
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Comments

Panaeolus papilionaceus is characterized by a grey-brown, smooth bell-shaped cap with appendiculate margin, dark mottled gills with whitish edges, a slender, fragile stipe and a habit of growing on horse/cow dung or in herbivore-enriched pastures. Until recently, this species was a part of a confusing group mushrooms that included Panaeolus campanulatus, P. sphrinctrinus and P. retirugis. However, work by Gerhardt (1996) indicates the latter are conspecific, P. papilionaceus being the oldest valid name. Another dung inhabiting Panaeolus that may be encountered in our area is P. semiovatus a relatively large species which has a smooth, pale colored cap and an annulus.

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Re: Pan Subs? id help-Updated---PICS [Re: kadakuda]
    #3255813 - 10/20/04 01:41 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

They're definately Panaeolus, but not subbalteatus. Doubt they're active.


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Re: Pan Subs? id help-Updated---PICS [Re: Gumby]
    #3255886 - 10/20/04 01:57 PM (13 years, 30 days ago)

not subs


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Re: Pan Subs? id help-Updated---PICS [Re: MAIA]
    #3261973 - 10/21/04 09:33 PM (13 years, 29 days ago)

excellent thanks all.

they are definatly NOT growing from manure...IF there was cows it would have been well over 20 years since. other than that your description is bang on,

thanks again.


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